Apple Bull Calls too easy?

Discussion in 'Options' started by StockHustler, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. ethos

    ethos

    I believe this is because of the volatility. The out of the money calls have bigger proportion of their time premium allocated to volatility (for 210 Nov calls Delta = Vega, look at the other greeks to see the whole picture).
     
    #11     Oct 10, 2007
  2. I see, now that makes sense. Thank you for your replies.
     
    #12     Oct 10, 2007
  3. If one is very bullish then buying a calendar isn't the best strategy. Furthermore if vol collapses your calendar will loose since it's long vega.
    db
     
    #13     Oct 10, 2007
  4. Agree. Best play if you are strongly bullish is (1)buy stock, (2)buy call vertical and (3) buy at or slightly in the moneys with three or fourth months on them.
     
    #14     Oct 10, 2007
  5. Well I won't be buying the stock because I don't have enough capital to do so and also is much more risky if it were to fall instead of just losing the premium. Buying the vertical is a good idea and I may very well do so, some Nov and Jan OTM calls.

    I know that time decay is a concern but I thought time decay really isn't too big of an issue until the last few weeks before expiration.

    Earnings are on the 22 of October which gives me plenty of time until Nov expiration. This is why I would like to stick with Nov calls probably the 240's or 250's.
     
    #15     Oct 10, 2007
  6. cszulc

    cszulc

    In response to your original question, you are better off doing the deep in-the-money options vs. out of the money, due to having a greater delta on the deep ITM ones.

    You could do a vertical or calendar spread to go around earnings.
     
    #16     Oct 10, 2007
  7. cszulc, that was the answer to my question.

    So I would realize a better ROI (because of the higher delta) with less ITM calls rather than more OTM calls.

    I was under the train of thought that more was better. Thank you again for the reponses.
     
    #17     Oct 10, 2007
  8. spindr0

    spindr0

    IV rose while price dropped. For ITM calls, the loss of intrinsic overwhelmed the increase in premium due to IV expansion so the option's price dropped.

    For OTM calls, there's no intrinsic loss and the premium increase due to IV increase more than offset the premium lost due to AAPL dropping a point. So the calls rose.
     
    #18     Oct 10, 2007
  9. spindr0

    spindr0

    That's not necessarily true. ITM with higher delta has a better chance of making a profit but OTM gives you leverage and with a good up move, OTM provides a greater ROI. But w/o that move, OTM is more likely to be a larger loss in terms of ROI.
     
    #19     Oct 10, 2007
  10. See that's what I originally thought spindr0, and appreciate another side to the story. It is more of a risk but more of a payout.

    May I ask, why did the IV go up?

    And what causes the IV to go up or down? I will do some research on my own but any help would be great. The volume on Aapl was considerably lower today so I don't understand how it went up. Is the IV lagging? Meaning that it follows the day before?
    This forum has some very knowledgeable traders on it.
     
    #20     Oct 11, 2007