Anyone use my method?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by no_pm_please, Dec 10, 2005.

  1. Schaefer

    Schaefer

    Did you read the other two original threads? A few people tried to backtest, but they were not able to write the code due to a lot of discretions involved with this method. Also, one of the reasons he'd abandoned the Keltner channels for Parabolic stops.

    Happy trading :)
     
    #301     Jan 28, 2006
  2. spersky

    spersky

    Yes, I read the original thread as well. I did the backtesting manually. I did it with Metastock by scrolling through the charts by hand. I will continue to examine this strategy or a variation of it, and keep you informed.

    Regards
    Steve
     
    #302     Jan 28, 2006
  3. jem

    jem

    What is a bit concerning about the strategy is that more than likely everyones data is going to be different.

    Additionally if the data were identical, there is still a very strong likely hood the keltner channels and the adx readings will be off enough between platforms that the results could be very different.

    In fact even I doubt the keltner channels are even using the same formulas.

    are they based on atrs or moving averages, are they based sma or ema. Close of the bar or or moving with the bar.

    backtesting with indicators on different platforms is very tricky and divergences are going to emphasize the differences.
     
    #303     Jan 28, 2006
  4. HooLee

    HooLee

    Indeed.

    So we should keep the trading and testing platforms, data sources and formula the same to minimize the problems. Like the saying: Test whatever you trade and trade whatever you test.
     
    #304     Jan 28, 2006
  5. HooLee

    HooLee

    Your testing confirms the weak points of this method. Thanks, and if you can backtest some intraday data and come back to us with some figures, that would be even more helpful.

    But my understanding is that the method already has the solutions "built in", which is the money management and risk control. A system is not complete when it is lacking these later parts.

    1. reduce the position size if stop is wider, don't enter when stop is too wide to your risk profile;
    2. done trading for the day after the first stop out.

    This is by far the most completed divergence trading plan I have found, I plan to watch it for a longer time. But even I decide to trade this, I will not trade it along. Simply adding confirmations from other strategies like support/resistance, fib # and multiple timeframes can increase its reliability.

    The use of the keltner ban, the Parabolic stops and the ADX filter are all bright ideas. But a setup is just a setup, nothing more, nothing less. The same setup that looks good today can easily fail tomorrow. This is where the risk control and the money management come in and why they are so important to any trading plans.

    Some people are concerned about the ADX above 30 level, which we all know LBR uses it to setup her "Holy Grail" trades. So far we have no prove how valid the filter is applying to the divergence trades. We need some smart ones provide backtest results. My guess is this divergence method can be a very good post "Holy Grail" setup, but we really need confirmations telling us that the trend is indeed weakening...
     
    #305     Jan 28, 2006
  6. NPP...can you please tell me what you use for trading hours? Are they the standard hours (930 ET to 1600 ET) or the futures hours (520 ET to 1615 ET)?

    thanx,
    Dennis
     
    #306     Jan 30, 2006
  7. NPP has not posted here in this thread or at ET since Dec 19, 2005. He is MIA for some reason...:confused:
     
    #307     Jan 30, 2006
  8. Probably similar like reasons that ended his prior thread...

    Personal problems that's not related to trading.

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60313&perpage=1&pagenumber=17

    Hopefully, its more like a planned vacation from the markets than a personal problem.

    I have one trader pal that doesn't trade (he travels a different country or location each year...ski trips) between Dec 25th - Jan 25th...maybe npp is doing something similar.

    Mark
    (a.k.a. NihabaAshi) Japanese Candlestick term
     
    #308     Jan 30, 2006
  9. HooLee

    HooLee

    If I recall correctly, he uses RTH, 930-1615 data.
     
    #309     Jan 30, 2006
  10. thank you
     
    #310     Jan 30, 2006