Anyone selling premium only

Discussion in 'Options' started by optionbull, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. froluis

    froluis

    Oldtime,
    I am not sure if your post is related to my question?
    What I am asking is if there is more hedge in being short SPX put or short VIX futures.
     
    #82     Feb 10, 2013
  2. sle

    sle

    Yeah, index vol is richer then single name vol because of its macro nature. If you'd speak in insurance terms, it's a global event risk that you can not diversify away. Inability to diversify that risk away is the reason why funds and banks try to stay away from that business - for them, a year that can wipe out 2-3 years of P&L is disastrous, while for a guy selling 10-delta SPYs from home it's a part of his business model.
     
    #83     Feb 10, 2013
  3. hey man, I don't know anything about options and don't pretend to. VIX, SPX, all the same to me. I know just a little itty bit about edge.

    your life and mine would go better if you stopped using that word

    If you want edge, buy a casino
     
    #84     Feb 10, 2013
  4. sle

    sle

    They are very different - one is a risk of a large realized move, while the other is the risk of "risk perception".
     
    #85     Feb 10, 2013
  5. froluis

    froluis

    Thanks Sle,
    How can I compare the two risks historically? Is comparing the volatility of the PUT index vs the VIX would make sense?
     
    #86     Feb 10, 2013
  6. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    That happened to me years ago - TWICE.
     
    #87     Feb 10, 2013
  7. hi could you explain, were you selling ATM > calls or puts, wereyou highly levered ?

    everything eventually has its losses...
     
    #88     Feb 10, 2013
  8. filthy

    filthy

    yeah, as sle said vix futures and spx puts are different. with vix futures you are betting that implied vol drops. with spx puts (hedged) you are betting that implied vol is above realized vol.

    but vix options? those have a variance premium as well. so the implied vol of implied vol tends to be above the realized vol of implied vol. :)
     
    #89     Feb 10, 2013
  9. froluis

    froluis

    But when I sell put naked and roll or short VIX futures and roll, I guess I am betting on the fact that SPX options are overpriced?
     
    #90     Feb 10, 2013