Anyone pulling money out of MF Global?

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by Daal, Oct 28, 2011.

  1. Mvector

    Mvector

    #461     Dec 7, 2011
  2. Mvector

    Mvector

    #462     Dec 7, 2011
  3. What $100 billion do you keep talking about? CME guarantees counterparty through the clearinghouse, the do not guarantee fcm's funds outside of the clearinghouse.

     
    #463     Dec 7, 2011
  4. Mvector

    Mvector

    The main thing I would like to know - how did these exchanges handle settling trades each day if MF Global did not have any funds. I understand your statement, but why not backstop any open positions that were on the CME Group exchanges for MF Global customers - then go get the money from the govt like everyone else these days. If the CME Group has 100 Billion then take less then 1% of those monies and clean up any open positions that were through CME Group exchanges.

    Right now who really has much faith in CME Group when they are suppose to be settling these trades - if no one is verifying parties can back funds to their trade activity the system is completely broken imo.
     
    #464     Dec 7, 2011
  5. I will just say what everyone is thinking are you F&*kin kidding me? :eek:
     
    #465     Dec 8, 2011
  6. Mvector

    Mvector

    Not kidding at all - how did MF Global operate on exchanges without funds as an FCM?
     
    #466     Dec 8, 2011
  7. Mvector

    Mvector

    #467     Dec 8, 2011
  8. http://online.wsj.com/article_email...AxMDAwOTEwNDkyWj.html?mod=wsj_share_email_bot

    "Earlier this year, his firm moved a chunk of its holdings into safe, liquid investments, giving Mr. Soros the ability to write the approximately $2 billion check for MF Global's bonds.

    The 81-year old investor, together with his investment team at Soros Fund Management, purchased the bonds for below the market price at the time, in a transaction involving JP Morgan Chase & Co., according to these people."


    Great, they're selling off the remaining MFG assets below market value.

    That's not exactly going to help in recovering value to return to customers......
     
    #468     Dec 9, 2011
  9. Daal

    Daal

    Market value is irrelevant what matters is the bid for that kind of size. A distressed seller always get the worse end of the deal
     
    #469     Dec 9, 2011
  10. Market value to me in this case means the price available to the seller in the market. These bonds are traded. I do not see that the property is distressed (i.e. damaged or impaired).

    But let's not quibble over definitions.

    The question is whether the trustee is making an adequate effort to maximize the sale proceeds. I doubt it. Why does he have to sell the whole thing in one lot? He should have worked the sale.
     
    #470     Dec 9, 2011