Anyone pulling money out of MF Global?

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by Daal, Oct 28, 2011.

  1. #141     Nov 3, 2011
  2. heech

    heech

    Aaaaah... "bulk transfer of accounts" doesn't mean bulk of all accounts. Just means a "bulk" of accounts. Okay, now this is all making sense.
     
    #142     Nov 3, 2011
  3. jeb9999

    jeb9999

    #143     Nov 3, 2011
  4. Catoosa

    Catoosa

    I bet trader accounts transferred to Penson will not stay with Penson after the MF Global experience.
     
    #144     Nov 3, 2011
  5. #145     Nov 3, 2011
  6. jeb9999

    jeb9999

    Latest news is that only 6 firms getting bulk transfers of MF Global accounts and only 60 percent of the collateral is moving over.

    "That means crunch time on Friday as the six firms -- ABN Amro Chicago Clearing, ADM Investor Services, Dorman Trading, FCStone, R.J. O'Brien and Rosenthal Collins Group -- calculate the margin required for traders to keep their trades open."

    "While accounts will now be transferred more quickly, only 60 percent of the collateral will be moved to the new brokers."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/03/us-mfglobal-margin-idUSTRE7A27Y020111103
     
    #146     Nov 4, 2011
  7. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Yes. But since it is already mixed with Penson's capital, they will have to wait a little...

    :D

    Sorry there is nothing funny here.
     
    #147     Nov 4, 2011
  8. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    Absolutely not. All cash and T bills held in segregated accounts are segregated.

    Customers who have their segregated accounts violated do not become creditors. Thieves do not get sued in the claims court for the return of a loan.

    Bondholders and lenders are creditors.
     
    #148     Nov 4, 2011
  9. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    As regards the MISSING cash, yes, that will be bankruptcy BUT clients with cash missing come before all other creditors:

    If an FCM became insolvent, and there also happened to be a shortfall in the amount of funds segregated for customers (for example, because of a customer default), customers would not be protected from the FCM's insolvency. Customers would have a claim against those assets of the FCM which are deemed to be customer property. The claims of FCM customers would take priority over all claims other than those attributable to the administration of customer property. Distributions of customer property would be made on a pro rata basis to each customer.
     
    #149     Nov 4, 2011
  10. Latest report is 1.5B missing from client funds.

    They should immediately fire and arrest everyone at MF Global and appoint a receiver to clean up this mess. MF Global and each of their employees are fiduciaries to their clients and have robbed them.

    Get the foxes out of the hen house and establish a constructive trust around all assets of MF Global and each of their officers, directors and employees. Pierce the corporate veil and start claw backs and asset liquidations.

    RICO all the way baby... treble damages + fees
     
    #150     Nov 4, 2011