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======================= Dave74; Of course you may be right on the latter; or maybe some Christians talked like that as youngsters, getting thier mouth washed out with soap, helped work wonders. I am glad Mr. Michael Marcus Marcus admitted to Jack Schwager he prayed to God, about trading & they recorded the answer.[No, prayer is not the key to FT.Knox] Excellant read. Frankly i found it rather difficult to believe a skilled derivatives trader like Mr Marcus lost money on all his CA real estate deals [except one]. But the more i think about it, the more i believe that ; especially since he said they were emotional decisions.