Anyone here "NOT" manage a HEDGE fund?

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by F-Trader, Jun 26, 2006.

  1. segv

    segv

    You run a 100M fund with no substantial portion of your own net worth invested in it? Shenanigans.

    As to the other posters who wrote off odd hedge fund splits like 5/50, anything other than 2/20 is nonsense that would get you laughed out of the room.

    -segv
     
    #41     Jun 30, 2006
  2. What's the name of your fund?
     
    #42     Jun 30, 2006
  3. #43     Jun 30, 2006

  4. From THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
    July 1, 2005; Page C1

    "Mr. Simons, whose net worth has been estimated at $2.5 billion, has seen Renaissance's $5 billion flagship Medallion hedge fund earn an average of 34% annually since it began in 1988, making it the most successful fund during the period. These returns, which are audited, come even after fees that now are -- get this -- 5% of assets and 44% of all investment gains."

    I don't even want to get into the fee structure of Quadriga that has to return 9+% before you see a dime. It's in the prospectus by the way.
     
    #44     Jun 30, 2006
  5. The New York Times
    Published: May 26, 2006
    By JENNY ANDERSON

    According to Alpha's list, Mr. Simons charges a 5 percent management fee and takes 44 percent of gains; Steven A. Cohen, of SAC Capital Advisors, charges a management fee of 1 to 3 percent and 44 percent of gains; and Paul Tudor Jones II, whose Tudor Investment Corporation has never had a down year since its founding in 1980, charges 4 percent of assets under management and a 23 percent fee.

    They may charge such amounts because they can. "In the end, what people want is the risk-adjusted performance," said Gordon C. Haave, director of the investing and consulting group at Asset Services Company, a $4 billion institutional advisory business. "As long as the performance is up there, in the end the investors do not care about the high fees."
     
    #45     Jun 30, 2006
  6. The coming hedge fund bust is going to be huge for lawyers.

    Clients have way more money than the funds the way I see it. Plus SEC losing jurisdiction to reign the cockroaches in, referral fee revelations, lifestyle articles everywhere about top managers.

    Looks like a good setup for a trade -- by the trial bar. :D
     
    #46     Jun 30, 2006

  7. LOL ! however, i don't agree. the accredited, knowledgeable investor clause in ALL true hedge fund documents pretty much eliminates any litigation except in cases of proven fraud.

    if one loses his money in a hedge fund, he is out of luck--unless proveable fraud is involved.

    surf
     
    #47     Jun 30, 2006
  8. thanks for clearing that up student. 44% is outrageous--- i have heard 50% in some vehicles.

    only one getting rich is the manager.


    surf
     
    #48     Jun 30, 2006

  9. So for this Simons guy to AVERAGE a NET 34% for his investors that means he is making over 75% on the money he runs.
    75% on average on BILLIONs is amazing....GREATEST TRADER OF ALL TIME???
     
    #49     Jun 30, 2006
  10. On second thought, no one seems to account for leverage on fund performance. Lets say a buy and hold mutual fund returns 8% a year without using leverage and trading strictly stocks from the long side. Now a hedge fund using 5-1 leverage and trading multiple markets and derivative contracts returns 40% a year.
    Which is the better fund?
    The mutual fund obviously.
     
    #50     Jun 30, 2006