Anyone here ever try Wim Hof breathwork?

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by Frederick Foresight, Sep 2, 2022.

  1. Damn, you're going full commando. Let us know how it goes...if you survive it. :D

    Yes, I expect the cold water to have sharper teeth in winter. Should be interesting, but I expect (hope?) to be ready for it by then.
     
    #41     Sep 24, 2022
  2. tango29

    tango29

    Also, an observation, don't try doing breathwork within 2 hours of having Qdoba. Not a good session last night.
     
    #42     Sep 24, 2022
  3. "Feel the burn!" :wtf:

    :D
     
    #43     Sep 24, 2022
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    Yer a rebel! And at middle of January, you should have a winter-defiance BBQ outside!
     
    #44     Sep 24, 2022
  5. tango29

    tango29

    I'm in Wisconsin, we BBQ outside year round! :)
     
    #45     Sep 25, 2022
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  6. Interesting article:

    Cold showers: a scientist explains if they are as good for you as Wim Hof (the ‘Iceman’) suggests

    https://theconversation.com/cold-showers-a-scientist-explains-if-they-are-as-good-for-you-as-wim-hof-the-iceman-suggests-181678#:~:text=But there is also a,abnormalities and potentially sudden death.

    Anyone watching the BBC programme Freeze the Fear with Wim Hof may be starting to wonder whether there’s really “power in the cold shower” as extreme athlete Hof claims. Hof, who set a Guinness World Record for swimming under ice, says that a “cold shower a day keeps the doctor away” by decreasing stress and increasing energy levels.

    He asks celebrity participants on the show, including sports presenter Gabby Logan and singer Alfie Boe, to have a cold water shower of 12°C every day, increasing the duration of the shower over time from 15 seconds to two minutes. Watching the reaction of the participants under the cold shower shows you that it is not a pleasant experience, at least at first.

    There is not much research looking at the health benefits of cold showers, so the literature is limited. The largest study with 3,000 participants was carried out in the Netherlands and found that people who took a daily cold shower (following a warm shower) of either 30 seconds, 60 seconds or 90 seconds for one month were off work with self-reported sickness 29% less than those who had a warm shower only. Interestingly, the duration of the cold water did not affect the sickness absence.

    The reason why cold showers might prevent people from getting ill is still unclear. Some research suggests that it boosts the immune system. A Czech study showed that being immersed in cold water (14°C for one hour) three times a week for six weeks, gave a slight boost to the immune system of “athletic young men”, the only group tested. However, further research is needed to fully understand the effects on the immune system.

    In the BBC programme, Hof suggests that cold water activates the cardiovascular system and therefore improves its function. He says: “We go to the gym to work our muscles, but inside our bodies we have millions of tiny muscles in the cardiovascular system – and we can train them by simply taking a cold shower.”

    When you have a cold shower, your heart rate and blood pressure increase. There is some evidence that cold water activates the sympathetic nervous system, which is the part that governs the “fight-or-flight” response (an automatic physiological reaction to an event that is perceived as dangerous, stressful or frightening).

    When this is activated, such as during a cold shower, you get an increase in the hormone noradrenaline. This is what most likely causes an increase in heart rate and blood pressure observed when people are immersed in cold water, and is therefore linked to the suggested health improvements mentioned by Hof.

    Cold water immersion has also been shown to improve circulation. When exposed to cold water, the skin blood vessels constrict (get smaller), reducing blood flow. When the cold water stops, the body has to warm itself up, so there is an increase in blood flow as the blood vessels increase in size due to dilation. Some scientists think that this could improve circulation. A study looking at cold-water immersion after exercise found that, after four weeks, blood flow to and from muscles had improved.

    In the programme, Hof recommends participants to increase the duration of the shower each day. However, the only research study which has explored the duration is the one mentioned earlier from the Netherlands. They found that the length of the cold shower was irrelevant. Therefore, a 15 second cold shower at 12°C should be sufficient enough to experience any health benefits.

    Care is needed
    Having a cold shower can be a bit of a shock. As mentioned above, it also stimulates the flight-or-fight response which increases heart rate and blood pressure. This can have a negative effect for those with heart disease as it could precipitate a heart attack or heart-rhythm irregularities. If anyone has fatty deposits in their arteries, a rapid increase in heart rate could potentially cause some of the deposits to fall off and block the artery leading to a heart attack.

    In addition, according to Mike Tipton, an expert on human physiology at the University of Portsmouth, submersion in cold water can be connected to an increase in breathing as well as heart rate. But there is also a “diving response” when submersed in cold water, where the body automatically decreases heart rate and instinctively you stop breathing (in contrast to flight-or-fight responses). This conflict can cause heart rhythm abnormalities and potentially sudden death. However, this is a greater risk with cold water immersion, such as open water swimming, than a cold shower.

    Cold showers are thought to have mental health benefits too. However, the Dutch research study found no improvements in anxiety with cold showers. But it may reduce symptoms of depression. The proposed reason for this is that people have a high density of cold receptors on our skin and a cold shower activates them and sends a vast amount of electrical impulses to the brain, which may have an anti-depressive effect.

    There has also been research in older adults suggesting that cold water applied to the face and neck is associated with temporary improvements in brain function including improvements in memory and attention.

    So Hof’s claim that a “cold shower a day keeps the doctor away” has some scientific evidence behind it. However, the extent of the health benefits and the exact reasons for it are still to be determined. Caution must be exercised by those who have a existing heart condition.
     
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    #46     Sep 26, 2022
  7. tango29

    tango29

    When one of our sons started his Phd program I tried talking him into doing research into cold immersion and athletic performance/ recovery, but no such luck.
    When I was at the U of Minnesota Twin cities, the Duluth extension was looking for participants and was paying good money to sit in a tank of cold water for a research project. Unfortunately, that was too far away for me, but wish I had done it.
     
    #47     Sep 26, 2022
  8. Did you put the Costco ice to use this past weekend?

    Out of curiosity, do you normally do the WHM breathing before the cold showers, as I think is recommended? I haven't found it to make an appreciable difference in how I feel. I've only done it three days (in a row) thus far, and only this morning did I do the breathwork beforehand. The thing I found most helpful was to just surrender to the cold water, not shiver, move very slowly and calmly, and breathe normally - perhaps a bit more deeply, but not more quickly.

    I went for a bit over 2 minutes on my first try, about 4 minutes on my second, and just over 2 minutes today. I think 2 minutes should be enough. Thoughts?
     
    #48     Sep 26, 2022


  9. Might have to pipe this music into the shower when winter comes:



    Interestingly, the song duration is just about right.
     
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    #49     Sep 26, 2022
  10. tango29

    tango29

    I forgot about the ice when we were at checkout and was too lazy to go back and wait in line just to buy ice. Next week it will be on the list instead of just my head.
    When I first started I did it first thing in the morning, so within a half hour of my shower, but now I do it in the afternoon. I am conscious of my breathing when I get in and work to keep it as normal as possible for the initial shock. When I go in Lake Michigan in the winter the initial dive under is where I feel that panic breath, but since I am doing it voluntarily as opposed to a car accident or the like I stay in control. Last time I went in I did a short version of the breathwork before I went in the water. It was snowing and around zero with the windchill, so I was already cold. I cannot honestly say whether it made it better or not.
    I didn't think about it until now, but at my physical in August my blood pressure was back in the normal range. While I was doing the breathwork, previous to my break, and had my physical my BP was on the low end by a fair difference.
     
    #50     Sep 26, 2022