Anyone experienced the Oct 1987 crash?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by turkeyneck, Sep 15, 2008.

  1. #11     Sep 15, 2008
  2. dsq

    dsq

    oil down $2 at 93.70...

    im looking at oil services like nov,hero


    if they cut rates,oil should pop.
     
    #12     Sep 15, 2008
  3. In '87 things were fairly regular coming in to the 19th. tests that required 4 to 10 days to do had occurred 4 times leading into the 19TH so mostly every one in boutique type brokers had pulled long trades into cash prior to the 19th using the good opportunities to do planned exits.

    Full blown application of capital was again possible by the 3rd or 4th of NOV.

    At that time there was littlesecuritaization going on and quants were not influential to any extent.

    5% is 5% and in today's market that is where the similarities draw thin.

    As we all see one of the largest investments of families is now involved and we had an inflection in JUN06 that ended the the wealth building potential of this large investment of most families. Families have not been saving for quite a while and real income averages have been declining for several years. The inflection on real income came a couple of years into the current administration.

    The shift from weekly number crunching ended with the exit of O'Neil from Treasury and the second string was brought in then. Prgmatism went to idealism and unreality.

    So now we are in a situation where on several fronts there is a souring of the econometric variables and considerations. This is true not only for the US but for those throughout the globe and particularly those whose are carrying our debt.

    The larger picture is there too. The dollar's strength is different than in "87 as well.

    I map out the legs of the year ahead of the beginning of the year. Things are right on target and the steep leg down we just began is going off the chart as expected.

    In '87 there was a period of time that was unpleasant for a few months.

    This is different primarily because it is on a much slower fractal.
    Today, there is no transparency especially with respect to the securitization and 10Q's and 10K's do not report out appropriately since there is not proper regulation. "Mark to Market" became a myth because the meaningful markets related to that wnet sour by bcoming illiquid and legislators and regulators allow such opaqueness to continue.

    There are all kinds of feedback loops in econometric models. Driect; indirect; induced and sustitution; review them. The positive one's are where the problem lays currently; they are properly regulated nor had they been efforced. I count this as a hazard from JUN06 as the landmark infection point. We are at a point about 1/3 through. So we are still in the acceleration phase in an even harmonic step function. A 5% step occurred today.

    These contemporary hits are fantastic. As you can see, staffs realy realy fucked up some operations and the scavengers have their minions doing DD all the time. The comment on reverse diligence today by the CEO who bought MER was priceless and trite.

    Some what after the 1/2 way mark coming up, we will reach the end of acceleration to the beginning of deceleration point. Then we only have a little less than half way to go to begin what will be called in the future: "The Recovery".

    Obviously, these are the best of times for making money as a parasite which I am. A large ATR is what I like best since now, unlike '87, we have real liquidity with which to play with a neutral bias. I would say most traders are screwed and don't know whether to shit or go blind. As they blowout steadily, first units then tens, etc., the games will be more evident and the we can steady down and grind out the bucks for years from this added opportunity.
     
    #13     Sep 15, 2008
  4. funny stuff! :D :D :D
     
    #14     Sep 16, 2008
  5. i did, i was still in my mothers womb back then so i doubt i can tell you anything valuable.:D :D :D
     
    #15     Sep 16, 2008
  6. what's CL?

    Have you look at X? Short Sell US Steel get you 12+ pt. today, and still have a long way down, they were at 196 in July, now 96
     
    #16     Sep 16, 2008
  7. phoenix3

    phoenix3

    Not that many similarities. Different set of macroeconomics, interest rates, etc.

    I was sitting at my desk at Kidder Peabody just watching the screen and throwing in a couple of sell orders here and there. Execution of market orders was a dart throw that didn't make the dart board.

    Ralph Acampora told us to stay calm.

    Later in the week we found out that a Kidder broker was very short naked puts and the margin call eventually his home residence.
     
    #17     Sep 16, 2008
  8. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    if you are 98 or 104 doesn't matter, if you are still following or trading the markets, take my hat off to you....
     
    #18     Sep 16, 2008
  9. The only thing I remember in '87 was the Ferrari bubble. Remember the days when a GTO could be sold for 14-18 million USD?

    Insane times for Ferrari collectors...
     
    #19     Sep 16, 2008
  10. LOL! he is busy playing with his balls...

    PS: How are you doing buddy? I hope the market is treating you well. :p
     
    #20     Sep 16, 2008