Anyone do conversions anymore?

Discussion in 'Options' started by nravo, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. cvds16

    cvds16

    why don't you just give us the stock at least someone (not me) might make a sensible comment. XYZ isn't going to get you any meaningfull comments.
    Or else play the game, if you think you found a treasure ...
     
    #11     Apr 17, 2009
  2. Sure it's AA. Currently @ 9.22

    May 09 9 call bid .78
    May 09 9 put ask .60


    I've just started watching option prices and these quotes seem abnormally tight by comparison to the others I've been watching.

    Don't know if it's a gem or not. What sort of strategy might you use on something like this?

    Is there some terminology that describes when a conversion play is near?

    Thanks,
    Ray
     
    #12     Apr 17, 2009
  3. Sell the call and buy the put for an 18 cent credit to get synthetic short and then you would have to buy stock at 9.22 which is a 3 cent loser plus comissions
     
    #13     Apr 17, 2009
  4. cvds16

    cvds16

    voila, it's that simple ...
     
    #14     Apr 17, 2009
  5. Do you mean 4 cent loser plus commissions??
     
    #15     Apr 17, 2009
  6. LOL my bad yea 4 cent loser
     
    #16     Apr 17, 2009
  7. spindr0

    spindr0

    Most of the time, if it looks too good to be true, it is. But once in awhile it's not and you have to be on your toes since a conversion/reversal opportunity is fleeting.

    Yes, you have to be pretty nimble to take advantage of a conversion. I use IB for trading. They have a combo order for conversions and reversals. If your platform doesn't offer that then you have to leg in and that's tricky, particularly in a strategy where there's so little room for error. It's not like you can buy 20 puts and then expect to short 20 calls and then buy 2,000 shares and expect all prices to hold as you execute each leg. If your platform offers synthetic put and call combos then you can do it in 2 legs instead of three.

    The dividend would be an issue if you were shorting the stock in a reversal. Noobs often look at the option premiums of a pending dividend reversal and think they've found free money, not realizing that they're going to pay out the div if holding on the ex-div date.

    Last of all, make sure you understand "Pin Risk" if you're going to dabble in these.
     
    #17     Apr 17, 2009
  8. donnap

    donnap

    The conversion was:

    XYZ $9.05

    XYZ May 09 9 call bid $0.79
    XYZ May 09 9 put ask $0.63

    or .11 gross

    I doubt if it really existed. Sometimes certain exchanges' quotes freeze and the real market price is somewhere else. It'd likely be gone before it got that far out of whack.
     
    #18     Apr 17, 2009
  9. Donna the last trade in the stock also may have been 9.05 but the current market was higher or there may have only been 100 shares offered at around 9.05 and the next offer in the stock a lot higher.

    The bottom line is you're not going to find real executable conversions or reversals for easy edge.
     
    #19     Apr 17, 2009
  10. Hehe, I was just making sure I wasn't missing something when you explained the concept. Never really looked into conversions past using them as an easy way to short on a downtick back in those days.

    Thanks for the info.
     
    #20     Apr 20, 2009