Anybody else short US 30 Bond

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by richard_m, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. Surdo

    Surdo

    Let us know how that works out for you!
     
    #961     Dec 1, 2008
  2. I think it looks more that some bigger players got badly whipsawed.... more room left to the upside at this moment ... looks like it wants to move up again....
     
    #962     Dec 1, 2008
  3. ooops, better be gone quick...

    what's it gonna do?

    done for today.....
     
    #963     Dec 1, 2008
  4. relentless move.
     
    #964     Dec 1, 2008
  5. May have some more upside, but looking at the parabolic rise in the chart the past month reminds me a lot of the parabolic blow off we saw with oil. Fortunately, I've got enough cash to play with to keep a fairly wide stop. We'll see how it goes.
     
    #965     Dec 1, 2008
  6. Bernanke now being quoted as saying Fed is considering buying large quantities of long-dated Treasuries in the open market, presumably to drive long rates even further down.

    The 10-year is in the 2s, not really clear to me how moving ZIRP to the long end of the curve is going to be sustainable, much less help anyone, but then I'm not the Fed chair so what do I know?
     
    #966     Dec 1, 2008
  7. Lesson's I've learned this year (on shorting crude). I called the top successfully (see http://scriabinop23.blogspot.com/2008/06/historic-analysis-of-crude-against-30.html) but I made no money on the trade, only lost a ton. And gave up when things finally matched my prognostication (because I was so beaten). All mainly poor money management.

    1) It will take a lot longer than you expect for it to collapse in your favor.

    2) Stops, options buying too large and too short term all killed me.

    3) Contemplate the sustainability of the move.. Here the fed (and the market view) can support these prices for a long time... 10 yr yields in the 40s were under 2% for extended periods of time.

    In other words, keep leverage low, enter the trade and forget about it. Otherwise, nothing about this thing is a short (especially on short term time frames on leverage).
     
    #967     Dec 1, 2008
  8. yep, never stand in front of a speeding train....

    Maria
     
    #968     Dec 1, 2008
  9. dhpar

    dhpar

    * housing bubble

    * spending bubble

    * commodity bubble

    * treasuries bubble



    what have all these in common?


    yes - fed setting rates too low or doing quantitative easing....

    this is f#cking unbelievable...
     
    #969     Dec 1, 2008
  10. Don't forget to include the stock bubble that preceded the others. But yep, America has become the land of the rolling bubbles. And this one will end just the same as the others.
     
    #970     Dec 1, 2008