Anybody else short US 30 Bond

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by richard_m, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. Shagi

    Shagi

    Would you not agree that QE is another form of PPT to artficially prop up assests for political gain rather than economic reason?

    European Bunds/Euribor/Bobl/Schatz are leading the way down - less ability to manipulate there
     
    #2161     Oct 21, 2010

  2. Possibly. But if the bidder has 500bil to 1tril in his account how are you going to fair against it?

    At some point it is possible that the 30 year goes to 6% while the short end is close to 0 but when? May be if the employment starts to recover?

    The man is not going to allow you safe investment with good return. He want us to take more risk. The risk we took in the last bubble was not enough.
     
    #2162     Oct 21, 2010
  3. That's silly... If you think the ECB aren't engaged in mkt manipulation, albeit with very different objectives, you're very deluded indeed.
     
    #2163     Oct 21, 2010
  4. Shagi

    Shagi

    No need for insults its a debate mate. I did not say they don't manipulate - if you read again I said less ability to manipulate - becuase the EU has countries with different ecomonic models, all they share is the same currency - they cannot manipulate in any way without hurting another member's economy. e.g a week Euro is good for Germany (export economy) but bad for import oriented EU members etc. Its unlike the US or UK its one model at a time.
     
    #2164     Oct 21, 2010
  5. Bunds are reacting to PMI today / Weber´s hawkish tone and new highs in DAX.
     
    #2165     Oct 21, 2010
  6. You mean hedge fund Paulson and gang are willing to lift risky assets...:cool:
     
    #2166     Oct 21, 2010
  7. My comment was not an insult, nor should you take it as such. I said that your comment was silly, not that you're stupid.

    In terms of the ability and willingness to manipulate, there's absolutely no difference to the way central banks affect mkt prices in EUR, USD, GBP etc. Recent commentary by the ECB hawks has led to the repricing in EUR, which is smth that they have been trying to achieve. Hence, they've manipulated the mkt to achieve higher short end rates, as that's what they want. Whether this helps or hurts peripheral Europe doesn't matter to the methodology of manipulation. Only difference is that the ECB is much more of a committee than the Fed, so there's less consensus and more discord. Again, this doesn't matter, as all that happens is that whichever faction is currently in power does the manipulation.
     
    #2167     Oct 21, 2010
  8. sjfan

    sjfan

    I'm not sure what you mean by this. There has been real money as well as fast money flow into risky assets.

     
    #2168     Oct 21, 2010
  9. Man those 2 years are tight.
     
    #2169     Oct 21, 2010

  10. Day High - 109-30
    Offer - 109-297
    Bid - 109-295
    Day Low - 109-292

    No gap
     
    #2170     Oct 21, 2010