Anybody else short US 30 Bond

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by richard_m, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. Oops. I should have stayed short for a profit. Strong down trend 4 days in a row. But hey, at least I am not long :)

    Last time serous buying commenced at around 125-10 125-20 on the ZN. Maybe we are headed there. I think that is about 2.58% to 2.6% on the UST10YR

    This brings another question:

    The ZN is a bag of different treasuries. I believe most in the 7 and 10 year range.

    If we take the UST10YR rate and compare it to ZN DEC10 rate on let's say September 24th. For example ZN DEC10 125-10 and UST10YR on the same date 2.6%.

    What if a month later o Oct 24 the UST10YR comes back to 2.6% should we expect the ZN Dec10 to come back to 125-10?

    Is there some type of time premium involved?
     
    #2141     Oct 15, 2010
  2. It ain't that simple, dude... There's all sorts of complexities involved.
     
    #2142     Oct 15, 2010
  3. Is it related to cheapest to deliver (CTD)? But can CDT change in 30-90 days?
     
    #2143     Oct 15, 2010
  4. The CTD sure can change and does, although it's not that commonplace.

    Point is that the relationship between futures and cash bonds is complicated. If you hear anyone ever describe it as "abritrage" (unless they're an academic), try to stay as far away from that person as possible. If you want to understand the dynamics of the relationship, I would strongly recommend you read one of the most important books in fixed income, written by one of fixed income's Elder Gods, Galen Burghardt. If you have questions, I can help, but the book explains it a lot better than I could ever hope to be able to.
    http://www.amazon.com/Treasury-Bond-Basis-Speculators-Arbitrageurs/dp/1557384797
     
    #2144     Oct 16, 2010
  5. It turns out I have that book. I guess I have to read it.
     
    #2145     Oct 16, 2010
  6. Hahaha, yes, no excuses now...
     
    #2146     Oct 18, 2010
  7. sle

    sle

    I would actually extend this statement to any securities pricing - anyone who would say "arbitrage" about anything liquid...
     
    #2147     Oct 18, 2010
  8. Beige Book please come sooner, so slow
     
    #2149     Oct 20, 2010
  9. No action!? Where is the book?
     
    #2150     Oct 20, 2010