Anybody else short US 30 Bond

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by richard_m, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. these cats have the ching to back it up

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    #1451     Jun 11, 2009
  2. Yep
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    #1452     Jun 11, 2009
  3. I know it was not this guy.

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    #1453     Jun 11, 2009
  4. I'll go with the one in the middle.

    "There were reportedly some whispers in advance of the offering that "a large Asian concern" was sniffing around"
     
    #1454     Jun 11, 2009
  5. NAVEEVIa

    NAVEEVIa

    can somebody please tell me how the 2-5-10 Fly level is calculated in basis points. My understanding is that its 2-5 yield spread minus 5-10 yield spread.
    One report reported 34.3bp with 2,5 10 yr yields at 1.23%, 2.72% & 3.71% respectively for 16 Jun09.
    Any thoughts, educational material, thread on treasury butterflies, please do tell
    Thnx
    Naveen
     
    #1456     Jun 16, 2009
  6. No, it's calculated by most practitioners as 2 * 5y - 2y - 10y. Sometimes people also use (2y + 10y)/2 - 5y (aka avg fly spread) or 2y + 10y - 2 * 5y (aka gross fly spread). I, and most people I know in the mkt, still prefer to use the first formula, so to me the numbers you have given imply the fly at 50bps.

    Tuckman's 'Fixed Income Securities' has a small, but very nice section on flies.
     
    #1457     Jun 17, 2009
  7. I am trying to make sense of the ZN T&S. Who trades 1000/2000 contracts per order?

    Today I have this:

    8:35:37 sell 1101 at 115 11
    8:37:18 sell 1000 at 115 11.5
    8:38:14 sell 1104 at 115 11.5

    Can some one verify that this data from IB is accurate?

    Then I have

    8:57:09 buy 1253 at 115 17

    This is basically buying on the top for today. Does this make sense?
     
    #1458     Jun 17, 2009
  8. before Lehman, Bear, Merrill blew out people used to clip 5K+ they are programs/big traders designed to make you puke. High today was 25, I guess it was 17 when you wrote that someone could have been short and covered a position who knows. Someone today did an off ladder 25K five yr note today (CME block trade) people trade size in treasuries bro, you know that by now.
     
    #1459     Jun 17, 2009
  9. Just got back in after being out for a few hours. Today is a no news day and I wasn't going to trade. Had I been trading I would have bought and sold a range.

    Right now (1029 EST) I see the 10 year is up to almost reach its 0825 EST high. Any news that I missed? I was going to take today off, but this jump up to 114 and change at 1029 EST is very tempting to short. The one thing preventing me from doing this is that this has all of the signs of what I call a classic "V" day. Make a killing on the way down, and lose it all shorting on the way back up.

    My DVD copy of "The International" is calling. Perhaps I should stick with the original "no trading today" plan. ;-)
     
    #1460     Jun 19, 2009