Any studies on who normally wins - option writer versus purchaser?

Discussion in 'Options' started by Saltynuts, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. Sig

    Sig

    I'm fully aware of how insurance works and not questioning it a bit. I'm asking you to think creatively, we're a couple steps beyond your typical underwriter's ability to think here, not a couple steps behind.

    When a disaster happens, some entities benefits monetarily. If, hypothetically, there was one car company in the world and one reinsurance company in the world, the insurance company could buy calls on the car company stock and when a hundred thousand cars get wiped out by flooding the car company sells 100,000 new cars and their stock goes up so the call goes up so the insurance company laid off some of the risk. Obviously the car company might also coincidentally at the same time suffer from a diesel cheating scandal and the stock doesn't go up, or the leverage of the calls doesn't match the amount of the insurance loss, or there are more than one car company and more insurance company in the world...I get that it's a difficult and imperfect hedge which is probably why it isn't commonplace. That and the fact that insurance types are generally some of the least creative people on the planet and when confronted with an idea outside the norm default to the idea that the person who posed the idea must be a moron who somehow thinks they are robbed if they pay insurance but don't make a claim. My point is simply to answer the question of if it's possible to hedge any of the risk of the final reinsurer, which you asserted is categorically impossible. I don't think a categorical no is the correct answer, that's all. I'd say it's hard and you may not be able to hedge it all, but there certainly are assets that are negatively correlated to insurance risk, and perhaps some modern portfolio theory would benefit the insurance industry as it has the finance industry.
     
    #101     Mar 5, 2018
  2. Eventually it will catch up to me.
     
    #102     Mar 6, 2018
  3. The simple truth is that both strategies (buying and selling) can work. Whoever claims that the only way to make money in options is by selling premium (like Tom Sosnoff does) simply misleading you.

    The key is to use mix of strategies and use the right strategy on the right underlying at the right price and the right time.

    You cannot just (for example) backtest buying straddle 14 days before earnings on 5 random stocks and declare that the strategy doesn't work. You also cannot buy a calendar when VIX is at 30 - it won't work either.

    Each strategy has its place. If you want to be an insurance company, make sure you have some protection (like vega/gamma positive trades) when disaster strikes. And don't use leverage, especially not with naked positions.
     
    #103     Mar 6, 2018
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  4. gkishot

    gkishot

    #104     Mar 6, 2018
  5. Not on a straddle. On SVXY, and it was half position.

    We encourage our members to look at the big picture, not single trades. The bottom line is 87% CAGR in the last 6 years, even with few big losers. And some of the big losers were hedged by other trades.
     
    #105     Mar 6, 2018
  6. gkishot

    gkishot

    87% CAGR after 100% loss?
     
    #106     Mar 6, 2018
  7. 87% CAGR is over 6 years (87% per year)

    100% loss was on one single position with 5% allocation, hedged by other positions.
     
    #107     Mar 6, 2018
  8. gkishot

    gkishot

    20 positions at a time?
     
    #108     Mar 6, 2018
  9. No. around 5-6 on average with 10% allocation, and some positions are 5% allocation.

    Please read the comments on the performance page, it's all there.
     
    #109     Mar 6, 2018
  10. gkishot

    gkishot

    14 positions at a time?
     
    #110     Mar 6, 2018