any option sellers

Discussion in 'Options' started by phil413, May 7, 2012.

  1. Dael

    Dael

    Hello, guys.
    Want to throw in some additional info about short options.

    I've been shorting naked options for some time with TOS live account, but then had to closed it a year ago. Now I've returned to testing the strategy with paper money in TOS. Want to share some results and waiting for your comments.

    My strategy is straight simple, something like it's been said in that popular interview with option trader Karen on Tastytrades (TOS) Youtube video channel.

    I'm selling:
    - no equity futures options, only commodities due to it's more smooth movement and higher return
    - just a month (30 days) prior to expiration, in order to get smaller exposure time
    - less than 5% of being ITM probability according to TOS platform, in order to get far OTM strikes
    - both calls and puts making a strangle with free (of margin) doubling of premium collected
    - no spreads in order to pay less comissions and make adjustment more simple (in case if needed)

    That's it. My trade plan says to pay attention when ITM probability goes to 30% and rollover to next month and far strike, but that's never happen yet, so I've never adjusted positions.

    Take a look at pics, feel free to comment. As it's paper money account, I'm pretty agressive when choosing strikes closer to underlying price.
     
    #211     Jun 18, 2013
  2. Dael

    Dael

    An example of strikes being opened last night on CL.
     
    #212     Jun 18, 2013
  3. taipan77

    taipan77

    Selling options naked is crazy if ur not planning to buy the asset. One blow up can wreck 10 good trades. Don't be cheap buy the hedge. I can just see it now, sell 1 cl put at 105 the next day the strait of Hormuz is closed and ur bankrupt. Lol
     
    #213     Jun 18, 2013
  4. Dael

    Dael

    Bankrupt? Sure? ;)

    In a worst case scenario of a sharp move on bad news... say +10% on crude oil (never seen +10$ a day)... all I've got are higher margin (3x) and not that bad PnL (-$1,800), see pic attached.

    Margin can be lowered making spread with some OTM longs. PnL can be reduced with hard decision - close the position, open new far OTM in next month.

    Yeah, it's all about the stats of a price will or won't go above the strikes.
     
    #214     Jun 18, 2013
  5. Dael

    Dael

    TOS screen attached
     
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    #215     Jun 18, 2013
  6. zdreg

    zdreg

    ask victor neiderhoffer about selling unhedge options. do you really think that you are smarter than the people on the floor of the option exchanges, who hedge their trades. are you a professional in the insurance business? the answer is obviously no.
     
    #216     Jun 18, 2013
  7. luisHK

    luisHK

    Worst month here, at least in absolute amount. Hit by more short calls than puts, but also by bonds diving - than end of the month by equities following bonds. - 32k mtm on May 31st only while trying to enjoy a week end by the sea. Ugly. FWIW took my frustration onto hotel management and got upgraded to the presidentuial suite . lol, that was sweeter.

    June is looking better, although I did one stupid and costly mistake.
     
    #217     Jun 18, 2013
  8. Feel your pain Luis..in 2008 one of those weeks we were crashing I was on vacation in Palm Springs..needless to say vacation was ruined.
     
    #218     Jun 18, 2013
  9. Eddiefl

    Eddiefl


    Dael,

    Keep us posted here how you do on your trades with this paper account.

    Have you thought about when you have a second account to trade a different strategy??

    EF
     
    #219     Jun 18, 2013
  10. Lol I like your adjustment techniques!! :)
     
    #220     Jun 18, 2013