Any clues about AAPL on the close?

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by Ayn Rand, Feb 26, 2021.

  1. caroy

    caroy

    Sometimes if the market makers have a large position in the ATM options they will balance their deltas and risk by selling or buying stock relative to their inventory on expiration day. Looking at the OI in the strikes around the daily move Friday there isn't enough there to do it. Even at the highest OI of 21,000 OI a the 125 strike if half the inventory was tied to the gamma that would only have been a million shares. I'm guessing more tied to a fund rebalancing. A poster further down the thread mentioned ARK dumping AAPL for PLTR. A good chance that is the culprit.
     
    #11     Feb 27, 2021
  2. Amatrue

    Amatrue

    I thought it's a common occurrence that volume tends to spike at the very last moment of the trading day be it portfolio rebalancing or option expiration, but what makes me wonder is the abnormal volume usually doesn't move price by a lot. Why is that?
     
    #12     Feb 27, 2021
  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    After filtering time & sales for only trades greater than 9,999 this is what I got:

    1600:01 16,655,878
    1600:02 417,618
    1600:02 27,860
    1600:03 13771
    1600:19 686,502
    1600:19 12,454
    1600:28 20,022
    1600:41 116,567
    1600:41 52,936
    1600:42 120,424
    1600:42 120,424
    1600:42 25,428
    1601:59 49,426
    1602:52 204,623
    1602:55 11,545
    1602:58 111,832
    1603:00 56,874
    1603:01 29,253
    1603:07 156,215
    1603:10 15,904
    1603:13 11,512
    1603:14 29,874
    1603:15 112,592
    1603:15 219,230
    1603:16 383,100
    1603:16 161,839
    1603:17 89,160
    1603:22 27,421 *
    1603:22 19,665 *
    1603:43 222,741
    1604:54 42,352
    1605:14 44,000
    1605:23 14,268
    1605:26 11,000
    1605:28 21,861
    1605:31 44,000
    1605:32 46,961
    1605:33 35,866
    1605:36 64,669
    1605:41 30,600
    1610:45 137,102
    1612:31 86,333
    1613:19 53,922
    1614:21 119,742
    1614:21 369,426
    1620:54 3,680,751 *
    1631:46 14,510
    1641:40 10,595
    1752:04 10,773

    Note all traded at the bid/down ticks @ $121.26 except 3.68m was $121.28, and 27,421 and 19,665 were $121.27. There also was of course a shitload of $121.26's lot sizes 9,999 shares and lower as well as many other trades at many other prices. Be curious what a market profile of after hours looks like to setup Monday's action.

    As some others have mentioned, very likely Cathie Wood/Ark or some other fund was the single large seller behind it.

    HTH
     
    #13     Feb 27, 2021
  4. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    Thanks for the great data. Didn't realize the heavy volume was after the close. Given that the trade occurred at 1600:01, it must have been a prearranged trade.

    If if was Cathie Wood/Ark her timing was poor.

    I did well on Friday trading APPL options several times. At around 15:30 I put in an order for 30 AAPL 125 March 5 calls at 1.38. With about 5 mins before the close it was trading around 2. I usually will close out the position if it looks like it is not even going to come close. But I left it in.

    I hit at 15:57 at 1:38. I could not believe it. Trade of the week. Unfortunately it closed at about 1.10

    I like my position and am looking for a rally on Monday.


     
    #14     Feb 27, 2021
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    When you are moving size perfect timing is not the aim, but I know what you are sayin'.
     
    #15     Feb 27, 2021
  6. There was a massive market-on-close sell order that caused the floor to fall from under the market. 1.5 million QQQs, 8K NQs, 3.5 million SPYs and 110K ES contracts were dumped between 15:59 and 16:00 ET on Friday.

    If real rates keep rising the tech sector's current valuations will quickly become unsustainable and tech stocks will crash hard. It's not surprising that funds are getting out fast. AAPL will easily drop below $100 if the ten-year rate hits 1.7%
     
    #16     Feb 27, 2021
  7. Ark doesn't have that big an ETF.
    The real question is whether the MOC sell continues or we gap up on the open after the big sell program. My wild guess is yes because people buy all dips.
    Until it stops working
     
    #17     Feb 27, 2021
  8. ARK is small potato, these are large funds rotating out of tech, risk parity funds in the process of reducing leverage, CTAs etc

    Whether the sell-off in tech continues is entirely dependent on the outlook for inflation and long-term rates. If Powell comes out on Monday talking up some form of yield control the rise in rates might slow down temporarily. In any case buying the dip in tech at this stage is tantamount to catching a falling knife. What's happening to interest rates is a fundamental shift. Understand that if the ten-year tops 2% the NDX will be below 11,000 and AAPL will trade well below $90. BTDers like Cathie will be severely burned, mark my words.
     
    #18     Feb 27, 2021
  9. agreed. Unfortunately as a trader for 24 years my time frame is much shorter.
     
    #19     Feb 27, 2021
  10. I hear you. So is mine, and I suspect that this time around BTDers may well get crushed by an avalanche of selling. We'll see.. next week will be interesting.
     
    #20     Feb 27, 2021