ANTI-WAR/USA BASHERS: WHERE ARE YOU NOW, MFERS?!?!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by FRuiTY PeBBLe, Apr 9, 2003.

  1. Babak

    Babak

    I'm alarmed too. But remember that the people of Iraq are not a religious bunch really. The recent "uprisings" have all been staged by Iran. The banners painted in Iran and brought in and the people brought in to agitate the masses and hand out leaflets, make speeches...

    The Iraqis know that the Iranians are behind this. And there is no love lost between them. An 8 year long war, remember? And a different culture, language and history also divides them.

    I tip my hat to the Iranian authorities. No one in their shoes would pass up this opportunity to put in a puppet state controlled by Tehran. But they won't succeed in the end.

    They will damage the US sponsored process and they will cause a few situations here and there but in the long run it won't matter.

    Just my opinion (and no its not a quote from the Guardian!) :D
     
    #341     Apr 24, 2003
  2. makes several good points here. It is yet too early to throw in the towel and concede authority to what we think is a Shi'ite uprising! It appears that the Shi'ites are themselves heavily divided, not to mention the points Babak mentioned.

    I give Babak's opinion more consideration since, if I'm not mistaken, he was born and raised in Iran.
     
    #342     Apr 25, 2003
  3. Babak

    Babak

    The other very important thing I forgot to mention in the above post is that ashura is a VERY emotional time for Shii Muslims. They simply go ape-shit. Other religions have similar rites (Easter in Sevilla for example) but non so shocking and bloody.

    I dare say a Western observer on the street (as opposed to TV or pictures in magazines) would soil themselves if they saw upclose what they do to themselves.

    So at such an emotionally charged time, one has to be careful to not over interpret actions and attitudes.

    Ofcourse, this is not lost to the Iranians who thanked their lucky stars that the end of the war coincided with Ashura. If I were Khamenei I would probably be thinking of going to Vegas this weekend and seeing if my luck continues.

    :p
     
    #343     Apr 25, 2003
  4. msfe

    msfe

    re: Ashura

    KARBALA

    CHAIN OF EVENTS


    The events of Karbala reflect the collision of the good versus the evil, the virtuous versus the wicked, the collision of Imam Husain (the head of virtue) versus Yazid (the head of impiety). Al-Husain was a revolutionary person, a righteous man, the religious authority, the Imam of Muslim Ummah. As the representative of his grandfather Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Imam Husain's main concern was to safeguard and protect Islam and guide fellow Muslims. On the other hand, the staying power of the rulers (Mu'awiya and his son Yazid) depended solely on the might of the sword. They used brute force to rule over the Muslim empire even by all possible illicit means.

    Imam Husain as head of Ahlul Bayt (a.s.) never recognized Mu'awiya nor his followers. Before him Imam Ali (a.s.) had fought battles against Mu'awiya because Mu'awiya continuously violated the Islamic principles. Imam Al-Hasan (a.s.) had to swallow the bitter pill of making a peace agreement with Mu'awiya, in order to safeguard the security of the Ummah which was at stake. When Yazid son of Mu'awiya declared himself as a ruler over the Ummah, he demanded Imam Al-Husain's (a.s.) allegiance of loyalty. Imam Husain on his part flatly rejected Yazid's rule and behavior, for there was no way Yazid could represent Islam, it would be blasphemy. But Yazid, the tyrant ruler over the Ummah, was adamant in his demand, and tension between the two parties increased day by day.

    ctd - http://www.al-islam.org/short/Karbala.htm
     
    #344     Apr 25, 2003
  5. Well, for christsake, don't tell the liberals in our government, next thing they'll want to do is add Departments of Virtue and Impiety to the Cabinet. And personally, I'd hate to see the rows break out during confirmation hearings.
     
    #345     Apr 25, 2003
  6. msfe

    msfe

    United States Department of Faith

    On January 20, 2001, President George W. Bush signed an executive order establishing the United States Department of Faith (DOF). Headed by Mr. Bush's and God's favorite church, Landover Baptist Church, the DOF is entrusted with overseeing disbursement of millions of taxpayer dollars to religious charities. The DOF does not discriminate against any faith, making funds available to both Baptist churches and other churches or organizations that recognize Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. (Read the DOF Mission Statement)

    http://www.whitehouse.org/dof/index.asp
     
    #346     Apr 25, 2003
  7. Pretty funny parody site. I bet msfe thinks it's real.
     
    #347     Apr 25, 2003
  8. Babak

    Babak

    #348     Apr 25, 2003
  9. #349     Apr 25, 2003
  10. msfe

    msfe

    In the United Nations, five countries (called the Permanent Members of the Security Council) can veto a United Nations resolution. These five are the USA, the UK, France, Russia (USSR before 1990), and China (Taiwan before 1971). This is a list of resolutions vetoed by the USA.

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    Year Resolution Vetoed by the USA

    1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids.
    1973 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.
    1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.
    1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.
    1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.
    1976 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians.
    1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France, China) to insure United Nations decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.
    1978 Criticises the living conditions of the Palestinians.
    1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.
    1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries.
    1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.
    1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.
    1979 Offers assistance to all the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement.
    1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation of the nuclear arms race.
    1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.
    1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.
    1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.
    1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.
    1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.
    1979 Calls for protection of developing counties' exports.
    1979 Calls for alternative approaches within the United Nations system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms.
    1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal or external affairs of states.
    1979 For a United Nations Conference on Women.
    1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations Conference on Women.
    1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations.
    1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.
    1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian people.
    1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. 3 resolutions.
    1980 Afirms the right of self determination for the Palestinians.
    1980 Offers assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their national liberation movement.
    1980 Attempts to establish a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.
    1980 Endorses the Program of Action for Second Half of United Nations Decade for Women.
    1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
    1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.
    1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test explosions.
    1980 Calls for the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.
    1981 Promotes co-operative movements in developing countries.
    1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes.
    1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories.
    1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons.
    1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote disarmament.
    1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons.
    1981 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc are human rights.
    1981 Condemns South Africa for attacks on neighbouring states, condemns apartheid and attempts to strengthen sanctions. 7 resolutions.
    1981 Condemns an attempted coup by South Africa on the Seychelles.
    1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq. 18 resolutions.
    1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).
    1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.
    1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights occupied in 1967.
    1982 Condemns apartheid and calls for the cessation of economic aid to South Africa. 4 resolutions.
    1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for the protection of the ecology.
    1982 Sets up a United Nations conference on succession of states in respect to state property, archives and debts.
    1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear free outer space. 3 resolutions.
    1982 Supports a new world information and communications order.
    1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
    1982 Development of international law.
    1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment .
    1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development are human rights.
    1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment.
    1982 Development of the energy resources of developing countries.
    1983 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 15 resolutions.
    1984 Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and other policies.
    1984 International action to eliminate apartheid.
    1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
    1984 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 18 resolutions.
    1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
    1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the occupied territories.
    1985 Resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade and development. 3 resolutions.
    1985 Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist and neo-Fascist activities .
    1986 Calls on all governments (including the USA) to observe international law.
    1986 Imposes economic and military sanctions against South Africa.
    1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese civilians.
    1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.
    1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.
    1986 Resolutions about cooperation, security, human rights, trade, media bias, the environment and development.
    8 resolutions.
    1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions in its treatment of the Palestinians.
    1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.
    1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon. 2 resolutions.
    1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
    1987 Cooperation between the United Nations and the League of Arab States.
    1987 Calls for compliance in the International Court of Justice concerning military and paramilitary activities against Nicaragua and a call to end the trade embargo against Nicaragua. 2 resolutions.
    1987 Measures to prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism and to differentiate it from the struggle of people from national liberation.
    1987 Resolutions concerning journalism, international debt and trade. 3 resolutions.
    1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.
    1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction.
    1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.
    1987 Proposal to set up South Atlantic "Zone of Peace".
    1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and 1989).
    1989 Condemns USA invasion of Panama.
    1989 Condemns USA troops for ransacking the residence of the Nicaraguan ambassador in Panama.
    1989 Condemns USA support for the Contra army in Nicaragua.
    1989 Condemns illegal USA embargo of Nicaragua.
    1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.
    1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict based on earlier UN resoltions.
    1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to the occupied territories.
    1995 Afirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied territory.
    1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories. 2 resolutions.
    1999 Calls on the USA to end its trade embargo on Cuba. 8 resolutions (1992 to 1999).
    2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
    2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.
    2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.
    2002 Condemns the killing of UK worker for the United Nations by Israeli forces.
     
    #350     Apr 25, 2003