Anti-Semitism is a LIE!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TorontoTrader2, Apr 12, 2008.

  1. 1000

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    telling you one thing is part of the business of success,

    but anti-semitism is something that is directed towards the people and not the portraying of a situation,

    however, if one is too stupid to emulate the success of the Jewish people, then hating the person becomes a method to communicate that lower IQ
     
    #11     Apr 13, 2008
  2. I'm glad not all Jews have that attitude, 'cause they would be hated even more.
     
    #12     Apr 13, 2008
  3. Mercor

    Mercor


    It could be argued these feelings are mutual for both sides.
    Yet, on the Israel side they have managed to develop institutions of government . Law, International business and diplomacy.

    It is easy to look back at what could have been. But , the reason Israel has been able to develop the success and wealth they have is because they operate within a UN recognized state. Being a sovereign state provides many advantages and international support you can't get as occupied peoples.

    It is unfortunate the leaders of Palestine where not great thinkers at the time they were offered their own state alongside Israel in 1947.

    In their own mind they were correct to hold out for a more fair offer. But if they had studied history they would realize most nations start small then grow in size as time goes on.
    The USA started very small in size, Same with Germany, Russia, Italy, and even Israel.

    Without a state it is very hard to develop the institutions that help it create allies.
    Look at the Kurds, American Indians tribes, Basque's, Tibet, all never were able to establish a ratified nation and have struggled with their movement, violence is also a symptom of this problem.

    Palestine should just get the state established then they can make there moral claim for their land back
     
    #13     Apr 13, 2008
  4. Funny, that is generally the worldwide view of Muslims.

    Try being a Christian in Pakistan.

    Try being a Jew in Iran.

    Try being ANY religion in most predominantly Islamic countries

    Any response to the opposite is YOUR propaganda?
     
    #14     Apr 13, 2008
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    Israel could be regarded in some respects as the most unluckiest state in the Middle East, having no water or oil as it's own natural resource

    Yet Israel makes it, and makes it big

    That's why I say, the Jew haters are just too stupid, and the only way to legitimize that low IQ, is to drool in mediocraty
     
    #15     Apr 14, 2008
  6. Yeah they make it big alright....that 10 billion annual check from Uncle Sam has nothing to do with any success right?
     
    #16     Apr 14, 2008
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    That's how wealthier nations make money.

    They loan the cash and receive an interest payment on the loan, then there is the outsourcing thing, e.g. Nike setting up shop in Indonesia.

    Business is business. Nations get loans for which they can repay the loan interests, and then a country's debt is rated by someone like Standard and Poor's or Thompson Financial.

    The difference is that Israel pays it's loans back without the need to export oil, and it is able to pay a huge sum back, and that is what it's neighbors cannot stand

    Look at the Netherlands, with no raw materials of their own, have 100% import, and somehow have to make their system profitable.

    The hatred is generated when there is the inability to compete, i.e. the haters only show their own deficiencies i.e. requiring the need for greater intelligence

    So the saying: empty heads are the root of all evil

    Education has to take the place of guns and bombs (look at India and China who made it big with emphasis on education)
     
    #17     Apr 14, 2008
  8. Im not sure that 10 billion is a loan...i think its foreign adi free and clear...
     
    #18     Apr 14, 2008
  9. Yannis

    Yannis

    Everything you posted looks wrong to me, either factually or in meaning and slant. You appear to be an anti-semite, which is your right, but still unacceptable to the vast majority of Americans. Yes, the US gives a lot of money to Israel, because of historical reasons (so many sympathizers, Jews and Christians, in this country) and because Israel is our closest friend and ally in the whole world, even ahead of England, and way ahead of Canada, especially lately. Remember, millions of Americans immigrated to Israel over the past 50 years or so - the only place where many Americans immigrated to (other than Liberia more than 100 years ago.)

    Yet, this aid is not nearly as much as we spend defending Muslims around the globe, from Kosovo to Egypt, Jordan, Afganistan, Iraq, Africa, etc etc. Now, of course, you may say these are not the right actions, but this is what we have decided to do through our democratic system. If you live in this country (legally) you can always vote for an alternative plan.

    Many of us are, or have relatives or friends who are, Jewish or Christian Fundamentalists, and therefore take great offense at hints of anti-semitism. Unfortunately, it is a well known phenomenon in Europe historically, and has also afflicted parts of Canada these days, but, hopefully it'll die out soon. I personally hope that racism and sexism and some other "isms" go the same way, not only in this country, but, particularly, across the globe, tehre are some terribly flagrant examples out there.

    Your Katrina perspective is also wrong - a huge amount of money is being spent to help there and in New Orleans - perhaps not optimally, but we did not turn our back to the plight of those visctims either, blacks and whites and everyone else the same.

    I don't mean to sound harsh, but what I said represents the opinion of the vast majority of people in this country. Are you an American? Do you live here in the US? Why are you so negative?
     
    #19     Apr 14, 2008
  10. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19677.htm


    Should the U.S. End Aid to Israel?
    Funding Our Decline

    By Alison Weir

    04/04/08 "Counterpunch" -- -- April 1st I participated in a debate in San Francisco that raised the question of US aid to Israel.

    It was highly appropriate that this debate was held two weeks before tax day, since in Israel's sixty years of existence, it has received more US tax money than any other nation on earth.

    During periods of recession, when Americans are thrown out of work, homes are repossessed, school budgets cut and businesses fail, Congress continues to give Israel massive amounts of our tax money; currently, about 7 million dollars per day.

    On top of this, Egypt and Jordan receive large sums of money (per capita about 1/20th of what Israel receives) to buy their cooperation with Israel; and Palestinians also receive our tax money (about 1/23rd of that to Israel), to repair infrastructure that Israeli forces have destroyed, to fund humanitarian projects required due to the destruction wrought by Israel's military, and to convince Palestinian officials to take actions beneficial to Israel. These sums should also be included in expenditures on behalf of Israel.

    When all are added together, it turns out that for many years over half of all US tax money abroad has been expended to benefit a country the size of New Jersey.

    It is certainly time to begin debating this disbursement of our hard-earned money. It is quite possible that we have better uses for it.

    To decide whether the US should continue military aid to any nation, it is essential to examine the nature and history of the recipient nation, how it has used our military aid in the past, whether these uses are in accord with our values, and whether they benefit the American taxpayers who are putting up the money.

    1. What is the history and nature of Israel?

    Describing Israel is always difficult. One can either stay within the mainstream paradigm, or tell the truth. I will opt for the truth.

    Drawing on scores of books by diverse authors, the facts are quite clear: Israel was created through one of the most massive, ruthless, and persistent ethnic cleansing operations of modern history. In 1947-49 about three-quarters of a million Muslims and Christians, who had originally made up 95 percent of the population living in the area that Zionists wanted for a Jewish state, were brutally forced off their ancestral land. There were 33 massacres, over 500 villages were completely destroyed, and an effort was made to erase all vestiges of Palestinian history and culture.

    The fact is that Israel's core identity is based on ethnic and religious discrimination by a colonial, immigrant group; and maintaining this exclusionist identity has required continued violence against those it has dispossessed, and others who have given them refuge.

    2. How has Israel used our military aid in the past?

    In all of its wars except one, Israel has attacked first.

    In violation of the Arms Export Control Act, which requires that US weapons only be used in "legitimate self defense," Israel used American equipment during its two invasions of Lebanon, killing 17,000 the first time and 1,000 more recently, the vast majority civilians. It used American-made cluster bombs in both invasions, again in defiance of US laws, causing the "most hideous injuries" one American physician said she had ever seen, and which, in one day in 1982 alone, resulted in the amputation of over 1,000 mangled limbs.

    It has used US military aid to continue and expand its illegal confiscation of land in the West Bank and Golan Heights, and has used American F-16s and Apache Helicopters against largely unarmed civilian populations.

    According to Defence for Children International, Israel has "engaged in gross violations of international human rights and humanitarian law." Between 1967 and 2003, Israel destroyed more than 10,000 homes, and such destruction continues today. A coalition of UK human rights groups recently issued a report stating that Israel's blockade of Gaza is collective punishment of 1.5 million people, warning: "Unless the blockade ends now, it will be impossible to pull Gaza back from the brink of this disaster and any hopes for peace in the region will be dashed."

    In addition, Israel uses US military aid to fund an Israeli arms industry that competes with US companies. According to a report commissioned by the US Army War College, "Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to Israel."

    Israel has used US aid to kill and injure nonviolent Palestinian, American and international activists, as well as American servicemen. Israeli soldiers in an American-made Caterpillar bulldozer crushed to death 23-year-old Rachel Corrie; an Israeli sniper shot 21-year-old Tom Hurndall in the head; Israeli soldiers shot 26-year-old Brian Avery in the face. In 1967 Israel used US-financed French aircraft to attack a US Navy ship, killing 34 American servicemen and injuring 174.

    Israel has used US aid to imprison without trial thousands of Palestinians and others, and according to reports by the London Times and Amnesty International, Israel consistently tortures prisoners; including, according to Foreign Service Journal, American citizens.
     
    #20     Apr 14, 2008