Another school shooting

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, May 24, 2022.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Show me where they're posting her address. I'll absolutely condemn it.
     
    #461     Jun 3, 2022
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Not worth my time to go search... especially since others have outlined the hate that has been heaped on this teacher on social media. Very easy to go to your favorite source and see it.

    Since the mainstream press has kept her name confidential -- I don't plan to reveal any of the information floating around social media here. You can find her name in articles related to her and others preparing to sue the gun manufacturer.
     
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    #462     Jun 3, 2022
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao


    That's what I figured you'd say. It's the way you operate. Make all sorts of absurd claims because most people don't call you out on it. Not sure why you do it. Mental issues, I'm guessing. Pathological liar, maybe. But you're a cretin.
     
    #463     Jun 3, 2022
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The most current list of the biggest lies told (so far) by the Uvalde Police Department.

    Here are the biggest shifts in the official account of the Uvalde school shooting
    NPR - https://tinyurl.com/42srhrj5
     
    #464     Jun 3, 2022
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at the lies that Sen. Marco Rubio is pushing...

    Fact check: No mass shooters used guns from the internet or gun shows, Rubio says
    https://www.wral.com/fact-check-no-...he-internet-or-gun-shows-rubio-says/20313639/

    Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said stringent gun regulations would not prevent crimes like the May 24 shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

    "There hasn't been a single of these mass shootings that have been purchased at a gun show or on the internet," Rubio said on May 25. "If people want to do it, we can have that debate, but don’t link it to these horrible events. They have nothing to do with it."

    Rubio told reporters he wouldn’t support expanding background checks for commercial sales, like gun shows, saying that the issue is unrelated to mass shootings.

    We wondered whether Rubio’s characterization of where firearms from high-profile shootings were obtained was accurate. Research shows that it’s not.

    Several firearms used in mass shootings were bought at gun shows, online
    A 2015 report from the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service defined a "mass public shooting" as a multiple-homicide incident where four or more victims are murdered with firearms.

    By that standard, there have been 66 mass public shootings from 1999 to 2013. A more recent analysis from advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety listed 274 mass shootings since 2009.

    Contradicting Rubio’s claim, PolitiFact found several instances where a perpetrator of a high-profile shooting obtained their weapons at a gun show or on the internet.

    In 1999, for example, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold — the individuals behind the shooting at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado — acquired their firearms at a gun show with the help of an 18-year-old classmate.

    At least one of the handguns Seung-Hui Cho used to kill 33 at Virginia Tech in 2007 was purchased online, according to the Virginian-Pilot.

    Jody Lee Hunt, a convicted felon, bought a firearm through a private seller on Facebook. In 2014, Hunt used the gun to kill his former girlfriend, a business owner, and two others in West Virginia.

    Federal law requires licensed firearm dealers to perform background checks on prospective buyers. However, federal law does not impose that requirement on unlicensed sellers, who generally sell guns online or at gun shows.

    It’s worth noting that some licensed firearm dealers do sell online or at gun shows, and they perform background checks on their sales. It’s the seller’s licensing status that determines whether there’s a background check or not.

    Rubio’s broader point was that expanding the background check requirement to include unlicensed sellers would not prevent a mass shooting, contending that such sales aren’t correlated with such crimes. Experts, however, disagreed with that argument.

    John Donohue, a Stanford University law professor who brings a strong data approach to gun crimes, said focusing just on mass shootings misses the larger picture of the crimes where these weapons show up.

    "Everyday murderers and criminals frequently procure their guns without going through background checks," Donohue told PolitiFact. "Because the 18-year-old mass killer in Uvalde purchased his weapon directly from a licensed dealer is not a reason to oppose closing a dangerous loophole in American law."


    PolitiFact ruling


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    Rubio said, "There hasn't been a single of these mass shootings that have been purchased at a gun show or on the internet."

    PolitiFact found several instances where the firearms used in a mass shooting were purchased online or at a gun show. A high-profile example includes the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School.

    Rubio didn’t provide any evidence to support his assertion.

    We rate his claim False.
     
    #465     Jun 3, 2022
  6. UsualName

    UsualName

    Yeah, no. You use lies to defend unregulated guns. Unless you’re a walking red flag, no one is trying to take away guns from people who have every right to have them. You may beat your wife and kids, and terrorize your neighbors, I don’t know. If that’s the case then yes you should not have guns. So maybe the laws are aimed at you not having guns. Who knows?

    Well I will be glad to re exercise “arm the kids” being equally rational to unregulated guns. It’s the only logical thing to do if 1. You believe life is the ultimate good 2. Those who are defenseless should have “de minimis” protection.

    My argument is we are not protecting children in America from gun violence and their lives are worth living. Therefore if we cannot protect them they deserve the right to protect themselves.

    I get it’s absurd but so is 20 million semi automatic guns with extended clips and unlimited bullets floating around accounted for and unregulated in the country.
     
    #466     Jun 4, 2022
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    More details from Ulvalde...

    Rogue Cops Stormed Uvalde Classroom After Child Called 911 to Say Teacher Was Alive
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-...-in-uvalde-after-911-call-about-dying-teacher

    The officers who eventually stormed a classroom at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, bringing the massacre to an end, did so after a student inside the room called 911 to say one of her two teachers had been shot but was still alive, The New York Times reports. Those officers went against the orders of school district police chief and onsite commander Pete Arredondo, and one could even hear a command in his earpiece not to breach as he moved towards the classroom. Arredondo arrived on the scene minutes after 18-year-old gunman Salvador Ramos but he had no police radio and decided almost immediately that it was no longer an active shooter situation. He used his cellphone to call a police landline to relay that and ask for backup. But students kept calling 911 for help, including 10-year-old Khloie Torres, who told a dispatcher at 12:10 p.m.—37 minutes after Ramos started shooting inside the school—that her teacher was “shot but still alive.” The room was not breached until 12:50 p.m.

    Read it at The New York Times
     
    #467     Jun 4, 2022
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    I’ve been told guns are regulated in America…



    No.
     
    #468     Jun 4, 2022
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Some of the latest from Uvalde.

    As expected the local political clowns are circling the wagons refusing to cooperate in federal & state investigations about the police inaction.... and taking no action to hold anyone accountable.


    Uvalde school board declines to punish police chief who failed to confront Robb Elementary gunman
    The school shooting took the lives of 19 children, 2 teachers
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-school-board-declines-punish-police-chief-robb-elementary

    Of course the local police are threatening anyone who demands their accountability -- to the point of illegally threaten a mother with a crime over a decade in the past that they will revoke her probation (hint: they cannot do this).

    Uvalde Mother Who Ran Into School Says Police Threatened to Violate Her Probation for Speaking to Media
    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/uvalde-...-violate-her-probation-for-speaking-to-media/

    Everyone is tired of the continual changing false narrative from the local Uvalde police department.

    Frustration mounts in Uvalde over shifting narratives about school shooting. State senator says lack of clarity could hinder future safety measures
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/04/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-saturday/index.html
     
    #469     Jun 5, 2022
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    ? This word salad sounds like you've been drinking.

    "20 million semi automatic guns with extended clips". Tell me you don't know shit about guns and the gun situation without actually telling me you don't know shit.

    Semi automatic merely means one bullet fires every time you press the trigger, and a round does not have to be chambered manually. There are a lot more than 20M. Every handgun is semi-auto, with the exception of revolvers that are not classified that - although they TOO fire a shot every time you press the trigger for the most part. The majority of rifles - outside of a bolt action - are as well. You folks throw around the term "semi-automatic" like you know what you're talking about, because these words sound scary to you. "Extended clips". Wtf is a clip. A magazine? What is extended? Are you talking about "large capacity magazines"?

    Go ahead and ban them. People can 3D print an extended magazine in 1 minute, 20 seconds for less than $1.
     
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    #470     Jun 6, 2022