At the end of the day, I wouldn't be surprised if the small police force in Uvalde were not properly trained for an active shooter situation at a school, school left doors open/unlock when there was an active shooter outside shooting at people nearby while he was walking towards the school and the shooter was not engaged for over one hour while parents gather outside...screaming at the police to either go inside to protect their children or let the parents go in to get their children. Strangely, the few police that arrived in the first 10 minutes...were able to evacuate their own children that were students at the school instead of engaging the shooter. Hopefully, the investigation doesn't reveal that the police never stormed the classroom the shooter had barricaded himself inside with children because the police were "waiting" for tactical reinforcements" to arrive...that arrived almost about an hour later... Doesn't reveal that the children died while the police were inside the school but in the hallway, while the police heard shots inside the classroom and never stormed the classroom while waiting. The U.S. is well known for sending millions and millions of dollars to help other countries fight wars...why can't America spend the same amount of money to put armed resource security guards...just one in each school...instead of unarmed security...maybe there are too many schools in the United States even though there's already unarmed security that are given the label as "resource officer" ??? wrbtrader
BS. Why is the US the only country in the entire that has this problem? The US has more school shootings than the rest of the world combined. Ban guns is the only solution.
Not a good recommendation… What I will say is that this can happen anywhere in America because of the widespread availability of guns, specifically assault rifles, but not all towns can equally answer this threat. Lets be honest, this is a pretty backwoods town this happened in. These cops probably weren’t prepared as a force to deal with one guy with that type of weaponry.
Ohh the school shootings get the headlines but the fact that guns are the leading cause of death for children is really where the sickness is. Literally thousands and thousands of children die from guns every year in America. We allow children to get murdered for no good reason at all. We should really be giving kids guns if we can’t protect them. They deserve a chance.
According to information on social media (which may be true or not). The federal CBP tactical team leader arrived on site with his squad and nearly the first question he asked the Uvalde police officers was "Why the f@ck haven't you stormed the building yet". The Uvalde police told him "We don't have the key to the classroom". To which the CBP tactical leader responded "Well get the f@cking key from a teacher". After retrieving the key, the CBP tactical leader refused to talk to the Uvalde police further & treated them with absolute contempt , organized his CBP team and stormed the classroom. The shooter was eliminated within five minutes of his arrival on site. Certainly the Uvalde police department (which supposedly has a tactical assault team) is taking a lot of heat on social media for their inaction. ‘Cowardly and Ineffective Police Department’: Uvalde PD Has Been Getting Absolutely Destroyed on Its Facebook Page https://www.mediaite.com/news/cowar...ng-absolutely-destroyed-on-its-facebook-page/
Let's take a look at the timeline as provided by AP... Gunman’s final 90 minutes fuel questions about police delays https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-s...as-shootings-56a4d01fb1cda19947db89fcb6bd85fd UVALDE, Texas (AP) — It was 11:28 a.m. when the Ford pickup slammed into a ditch behind the low-slung Texas school and the driver jumped out carrying an AR-15-style rifle. Twelve minutes after that, authorities say, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos was in the hallways of Robb Elementary School. Soon he entered a fourth-grade classroom. And there, he killed 19 schoolchildren and two teachers in a still-unexplained spasm of violence. At 12:58 p.m., law enforcement radio chatter said Ramos had been killed and the siege was over. What happened in those 90 minutes, in a working-class neighborhood near the edge of the little town of Uvalde, has fueled mounting public anger and scrutiny over law enforcement’s response to Tuesday’s rampage. “They say they rushed in,” said Javier Cazares, whose fourth-grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, and who raced to the school as the massacre unfolded. “We didn’t see that.” On Thursday, authorities largely ignored questions about why officers had not been able to stop the shooter sooner, with Victor Escalon, regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, telling reporters he had “taken all those questions into consideration” and would offer updates later. The media briefing, called by Texas safety officials to clarify the timeline of the attack, provided bits of previously unknown information. But by the time it ended, it had added to the troubling questions surrounding the attack, including about the time it took police to reach the scene and confront the gunman, and the apparent failure to lock a school door he entered. After two days of providing often conflicting information, investigators said that a school district police officer was not inside the school when Ramos arrived, and, contrary to their previous reports, the officer had not confronted Ramos outside the building. Instead, they sketched out a timeline notable for unexplained delays by law enforcement. After crashing his truck, Ramos fired on two people coming out of a nearby funeral home, Escalon said. He then entered the school ”unobstructed” through an apparently unlocked door at about 11:40 a.m. But the first police officers did not arrive on the scene until 12 minutes after the crash and did not enter the school to pursue the shooter until four minutes after that. Inside, they were driven back by gunfire from Ramos and took cover, Escalon said. The crisis came to an end after a group of Border Patrol tactical officers entered the school roughly an hour later, at 12:45 p.m., said Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson Travis Considine. They engaged in a shootout with the gunman, who was holed up in the fourth-grade classroom. Moments before 1 p.m., he was dead. Escalon said that during that time, the officers called for backup, negotiators and tactical teams, while evacuating students and teachers. Ken Trump, president of the consulting firm National School Safety and Security Services, said the length of the timeline raised questions. “Based on best practices, it’s very difficult to understand why there were any types of delays, particularly when you get into reports of 40 minutes and up of going in to neutralize that shooter,” he said. Many other details of the case and the response remained murky. The motive for the massacre — the nation’s deadliest school shooting since Newtown, Connecticut, almost a decade ago — remained under investigation, with authorities saying Ramos had no known criminal or mental health history. During the siege, frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the school, according to witnesses. “Go in there! Go in there!” women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who watched the scene from outside a house across the street. Carranza said the officers should have entered the school sooner: “There were more of them. There was just one of him.” Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz did not give a timeline but said repeatedly that the tactical officers from his agency who arrived at the school did not hesitate. He said they moved rapidly to enter the building, lining up in a “stack” behind an agent holding up a shield. “What we wanted to make sure is to act quickly, act swiftly, and that’s exactly what those agents did,” Ortiz told Fox News. But a law enforcement official said that once in the building, the agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk publicly about the investigation. Department of Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez told CNN that investigators were trying to establish whether the classroom was, in fact, locked or barricaded in some way. Cazares said that when he arrived, he saw two officers outside the school and about five others escorting students out of the building. But 15 or 20 minutes passed before the arrival of officers with shields, equipped to confront the gunman, he said. As more parents flocked to the school, he and others pressed police to act, Cazares said. He heard about four gunshots before he and the others were ordered back to a parking lot. “A lot of us were arguing with the police, ‘You all need to go in there. You all need to do your jobs.’ Their response was, ‘We can’t do our jobs because you guys are interfering,’” Cazares said. As for the armed school officer, he was driving nearby but was not on campus when Ramos crashed his truck, according to a law enforcement official who was not authorized to discuss the case and spoke of condition of anonymity. Investigators have concluded that school officer was not positioned between the school and Ramos, leaving him unable to confront the shooter before he entered the building, the law enforcement official said. Michael Dorn, executive director of Safe Havens International, which works to make schools safer, cautioned that it’s hard to get a clear understanding of the facts soon after a shooting. “The information we have a couple of weeks after an event is usually quite different than what we get in the first day or two. And even that is usually quite inaccurate,” Dorn said. For catastrophic events, “you’re usually eight to 12 months out before you really have a decent picture.”
Children do not have a fully developed prefrontal cortex to think. You want to give them guns? How's your prefrontal cortex doing?
Wants and needs are two different things. We need to arm the children in America. The number one cause of death of children in America is guns. If it were polio we would give them a vaccine. If it were car accidents we would make baby seats, booster seats and seat belt laws but it’s guns and we won’t protect them so we need to at least give them the option to protect themselves. It is no more insane than leaving them as sitting ducks.
The information coming out about the complete failures of the Uvalde police department just keep getting more ridiculous. Is it possible for a police force to be this incompetent? Apparently it is. They spent their time handcuffing, physically attacking, pepper spraying, and bullying parents outside the school rather than taking down the shooter. The community should demand the immediate resignation of the entire police department. From Insider as reported in the Wall Street Journal. A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school and pulled her two children to safety: report https://www.insider.com/texas-mom-ran-school-pulled-two-kids-out-uvalde-shooting-2022-5 A mother of two students at Robb Elementary jumped a fence and rescued her kids during the shooting. She told The Wall Street Journal law enforcement was "doing nothing," as the shooter was inside. The mother was handcuffed before she ran into the school. When she was released she sprinted in. A Texas mother of two students at Robb Elementary School pushed past a police line and jumped a fence, rescuing her two children during Tuesday's mass shooting in Uvalde, according to The Wall Street Journal. Angeli Rose Gomez, a farm supervisor working nearby who has children in second and third grade at Robb, told the Journal that she drove 40 miles to the school when she heard about the shooting, only to see an apparent lack of response from law enforcement as the gunman barricaded himself in a classroom. "The police were doing nothing," Gomez told The Journal. "They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere." Chilling reports have emerged of parents pushing past law enforcement to rescue their children by any means, their efforts growing increasingly dire as the gunman remained in the school. Law enforcement officials have given conflicting accounts of what was happening during the 40 minutes the gunman was inside – as groups of police remained outside. According to The Journal, Gomez was put in handcuffs by federal marshals for "intervening in an active crime scene," as she and other parents demanded officers enter the school. Gomez persuaded Uvalde law enforcement officers to release her, and she moved away from the crowd. Gomez then hopped the school fence, sprinted inside the school to grab her children and made it out of the school with them alive. Another parent was pepper-sprayed as he attempted to get into the school, and a father was tackled by authorities, Gomez told The Journal. The Uvalde Police Chief said on Thursday that officers responded to the shooting at Robb Elementary School "within minutes," but did not specify whether those officers entered the school building and engaged the gunman in that timespan. On Wednesday, Texas Department of Public Safety director Steve McCraw said that roughly "40 minutes" to "an hour" elapsed between the time the shooter breached the school and when a US Border Patrol agent killed him. The shooting suspect shot and killed 19 students and two teachers, and 17 people were also injured in the attack.