Another GLD Autumn Rally?

Discussion in 'Options' started by cactiman, Aug 11, 2012.


  1. No big deal . Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
     
    #41     Aug 22, 2012
  2. Haha.... great thing about options. Cheap bets on breakouts
     
    #42     Aug 22, 2012
  3. SLV still doubling GLD percentage wise.
    Lots of clear sky up above...
    Next stop 30+?
    :cool:
     
    #43     Aug 22, 2012
  4. Weight the volatility based on their beta to each other see what you come up with..im sure theirs a pair or vol swap trade there
     
    #44     Aug 22, 2012

  5. Uhhhh....
    Me no pair 'em, swap 'em before.
    What's left of my brain has a hard enough time with Singles, Spreads and Condors!
    Let me know if you do it, so I can follow along.
    :)
     
    #45     Aug 22, 2012
  6. I'm just learning about pairs and comparing volatility... the volatility in one might tell you a bit about the other.. you could sell vol in gld and buy in slv if you think their cold have swung to far away from each other.... I'm a noob at that stuff but I'm wanting to find pairs and stick my toes it.....things are only as complicated as you make them... I got overwhelmed and cross eyed at first even with just options but over time they become more friendly and the language doesn't scare you anymore
     
    #46     Aug 22, 2012
  7. Yes, the terminology barrier in Options World is not always easy to deal with.
    There are several ways of saying the same thing too, which adds to the complexity.
    Still, I'm starting to get a handle on some of the handles, and have been enjoying the journey more and more.
    Especially on money making days like today!
    Oops. Better not say that too loud - might jinx it...
    :p
     
    #47     Aug 22, 2012
  8. so what are you doing.. just trading it outright with leverage or something?? these are things i would rather do then own the underlying..
    on a Gld break out..
    1. Price the otm call butterfly
    2. look at a debit spread IE
    3. ratio backspread ATM for a credit
    4. Synthetic long
     
    #48     Aug 22, 2012
  9. Cereal

    Cereal

    No bailout plan in this one. It's a win or lose proposition. Hoping to hold as long as possible to expiry. If position winning say 80% of maximum reward in the coming few days (because of a GLD fast run up) then I would close it before expiry.
     
    #49     Aug 22, 2012
  10. UL vs. Synthetic... margin requirements

    Short Put

    Position
    Short 1 Sep 160 puts(s) at $2.56
    Underlying stock at $160.
    Put is out-of-the-money

    Initial Margin
    Margin requirement: $3,412.80
    Proceeds from sale of short put(s): $256.00
    Margin call (SMA debit): $3,156.80

    +
    Long Call – 9 months or less until expiration

    Position
    Long 1 Sep 160 call(s) at $3.15

    Initial Margin
    Margin requirement: $315.00
    Margin call (SMA debit): $315.00

    Synthetic Margin Requirement on 100 shares..
    $3,156.80 + $315.00 = 3471.80

    Margin Requirement on 100 shares of the UL @ 160.84
    Margin requirement on stock purchase: $8,042.00

    It costs $4,570.20 or 2.3 times more to trade directly in the underlying..

    this is the margin calculator i used..
    http://www.cboe.com/tradtool/mCalc/default.aspx
     
    #50     Aug 22, 2012