Another Floridian just standing his ground

Discussion in 'Politics' started by hughb, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. hughb


    Florida teen dead after row that began with loud-music complaint, suspect jailed -

    From Jack Maddox, CNN

    updated 10:19 PM EST, Mon November 26, 2012

    (CNN) -- A Florida man was denied bond Monday on a murder charge stemming from a weekend shooting that started with a complaint about loud music and ended with a teenager dead.

    A statement by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office described a Friday-night confrontation in a gas station parking lot that escalated into at least eight shots being fired at a car carrying a group of teenagers.

    Seventeen-year-old Jordan Davis, among the teens, was fatally wounded. Forty-five-year-old Michael Dunn of Brevard County, Florida, was arrested on Saturday and charged in the fatal shooting.

    According to the statement from the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office, Dunn told authorities that he had asked the teens to turn down loud music from their vehicle adjacent to his, as he waited while his girlfriend, who was returning with him from a wedding, went inside the gas station to make a purchase.

    Dunn told police he felt threatened by the response from the teens, the statement said.

    Dunn's attorney, Robin Lemonidis, told CNN Monday that Dunn told police that he reacted after having seen a gun barrel in the window of the teens' car and after hearing a profanity-laced string of threats against him and his girlfriend while the teens motioned they were opening the door.

    Lemonidis said that was when Dunn reached for his gun and opened fire on the vehicle. She added that, "When all the evidence has been flushed out, I believe that it will be extremely clear that Mr. Dunn acted as any responsible firearm-owner would have under the same circumstances."

    Eight or nine shots were fired at the teens' car, the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office statement added.

    There were no guns found inside the teens' car, the statement said.

    Lemonidis said her client and his girlfriend left the scene after the shooting, fearing that they had encountered gang members and that more would follow.

    The couple went to a local hotel for the night, and saw the news the next morning that Davis had died. They returned to Dunn's home in Brevard County, where local police arrested him Saturday on an out-of-county warrant.

    Dunn was arraigned Monday afternoon, and Lemonidis said she entered a not-guilty plea on her client's behalf.

    Ron Davis, the victim's father, told CNN affiliate WAWS that he wants to see justice, "Whether it be through the legal system or to God. God's going to punish him for that, so me, I don't want to do anything to him."
  2. hughb


    Here's the shooter's photo:


    Still looking for the victim's photo. According to the comments on a local news station's site, he was black.
  3. Lucrum


    I don't see how this shooting has anything to do with the so called "stand your ground" laws. Laws in effect in 25 states. It's merely an extension of the "castle doctrine" which is law in 24 states. It's not a license to shoot someone for loud music or any other act of stupidity. You still have to be threatened with death or great bodily harm before resorting to the use of deadly force. The castle doctrine originated in 17th century English law, if anyone would like to educate themselves.
  4. Judging from the initial report I'd say this guy is just another wanna' be gunslinger who deserves to be thrown in jail for the rest of his life. Mr. Asshole had no business being loud music cop to begin with. He instigated the whole thing running his mouth. Send his ass to the chair. This of course assumes there are no hidden details yet to come out, but on the surface...GUILTY of murder. Just another not so responsible gun owner who gives a bad name to responsible gun owners.
  5. TGregg


    Based on the little evidence so far, I'm more on the side of the dead guy than the shooter. More evidence is likely to emerge, but unfortunately no video:

    Hopefully there were (relatively) impartial observers around.
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    It isn't. I think hugh is trolling for a particular type of replies with that title.
  7. I say good for Mr dunn.

    Flash a gun barrel and then making a further aggressive move while directing profanities is self defense.

    Sorry but the popularity of the knockout game and it's related non-escalation type crimes means we need no excuse to protect ourselves from lil wanna be thugs.

    good riddence to the deceased , I hope there's more.
  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    That's a bit over the top without knowing the full story, no?
  9. No it's not over the top, it's just a natural and just effect of the knockout game and it's related behavior.

    law expecting you to be getting your head bashed in before you protect yourself is silly.

    Punks out there need to know not everybody out there is willing to play the victim role.
  10. That post is one reason why the GOP has it's image problem. This is the world of social media, and there are going to be these kind of comments at every media site that has anything to do with politics. Young people destroyed Mittens because they see this kind of stuff, associate it with GOP, and voices like yours get drowned out. The GOP needs to get on message, make some clear decisions, and move forward.
    #10     Nov 27, 2012