Annan: Israeli raid violates cease-fire

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ZZZzzzzzzz, Aug 19, 2006.

  1. I know that Israel doesn't give a shit about anyone but Israel.

    I just wish more Americans fully understood that...

     
    #11     Aug 20, 2006
  2. That's not what I said, I said Israel does not give a shit about YOU, and rightly so.

    And Americans do undestand that if no one else abides by a resolution - Israel won't either. And 95% of americans absolutely agree with this fairly obvious, logical, moral and pragmatic approach.
     
    #12     Aug 20, 2006
  3. At one point close to 95% of Americans approved of Bush, and close to 95% of Americans at one point thought Saddam was connected to 9/11.

    Americans are often wrong, when they don't have all the facts.

     
    #13     Aug 20, 2006
  4. Americans are also very fair people who understand that if a resolution is ignored by all countries and organizations involved - it's only fair that Israel has every right to ignore it as well. Your absurd legalistic bureaucratic claims (to Israel only) that unlike other participants it's supposed to inform/request/complain/blahblahblah to the UN will fall on deaf ears in this country. You may have better luck with Europeans though, they need a good excuse to hate Israel so that they can avoid dealing with their own violent muslim minorities and still feel good about themselves.

    Bush's 95% job approval rating was when we invaded Afghanistan. It was still the right thing to do so the amerian people were absolutely right to support Bush at that time.
     
    #14     Aug 20, 2006
  5. No, you're wrong, Dddooo.

    Israel does NOT have the right to take the UN matters into their own hands.

    Israel does NOT have the right to interpret who is and who is not "ignoring" UN resolutions.

    Israel broke the UN cease-fire treaty, plain and simple.

    THEY are at fault.

    Not Iran, Syria OR Hezbollah, regardless of who Israel thinks was supplying arms and weapons to whom.

    The UN treaty did NOT provide for Israel to conduct raids. Israel is one of the main two parties the UN is trying to get to STOP hostilities.

    Hence, Israel is showing clearly that they do not respect the UN, and as such, are at war with the UN as much as Hezbollah may be.

    It was Israel who broke the cease-fire agreement, not Islamic Arab Hezbollah.

    Israel should and must be singled out and dealt with for breaking the UN resolution. If this includes sanctions, so be it. If this includes military action against them so be it.

    What is fair for one group of people is fair for another.

    Hezbollah did not say, "Look, the USA is supplying Israel with weapons, raid them!"

    Israel, and Israel alone took that stance.

    If justice and fairness is NOT dealt out to Israel at this point, then Arabs and Muslims are bound to see the UN as wielding selective power, slanted towards the USA and Israel.

    This will most likely enflame Arabs and Muslims against Israel, the USA and the UN.

    And if the UN is disregarded, then it's a dogfight of global instability. A world fissure.

    You know who'll win? Those who control the oil.

    Arabs and Muslims. And the representatives of their various ideologies.

    Iconoclast
     
    #15     Aug 20, 2006
  6. Israel does NOT have the right to take the UN matters into their own hands.
    It has the right to take ITS matters into their own hands though, after the UN promised to take care of Israeli matters and miserably failed (once again) it's not only their right, it's their responsibility

    Israel broke the UN cease-fire treaty, plain and simple.
    Sure they did, after everyone else had already broken it.


    The UN treaty did NOT provide for Israel to conduct raids.
    It did not provide for weapons trafficing and rearming of Hezbollah either.

    Hence, Israel is showing clearly that they do not respect the UN
    Sure, the UN does not respect the UN, France, Iran, Syria, Lebanon don't respect the UN, why should Israel?

    It was Israel who broke the cease-fire agreement, not Islamic Arab Hezbollah.
    You bet it was the Party of God, Lebanon, Iran and Syria who broke the resolution first

    Israel should and must be singled out and dealt with for breaking the UN resolution. If this includes sanctions, so be it. If this includes military action against them so be it.
    Thank you, now you've said it. Hezbollah, Iran, Lebanon, Syria the UN and Israel break a UN resolution but it's Israel that must be singled out. At least you don't pretend to be unbiased.

    Hezbollah did not say, "Look, the USA is supplying Israel with weapons, raid them!"
    That's because the US has every right to supply Israel with weapons and no country has a right to rearm Hezbollah, as a matter of fact the resolution explicitely bans weapons flow across the Lebanese border and holds countries (like Iran and Syria) doing it responsible

    This will most likely enflame Arabs and Muslims against Israel, the USA and the UN.
    LOL, who gives a shit? The arab street is always enflamed, big fucking deal. You don't really expect countries to conduct their policies based based on whether it's going to enflame some illiterate religious idiots in Cairo or Riad, do you?


    And if the UN is disregarded, then it's a dogfight of global instability.
    LOL, I only hope you're kidding, tell me you are not THAT naive.
     
    #16     Aug 20, 2006
  7. I got some trades to open up, then I'll reply to you.

    Iconoclast
     
    #17     Aug 20, 2006
  8. No, but Israel is modeling themselves after the US invasion of Iraq.

    What do you think the consequences will be? Any different?

    I trow not.


    Iconoclast
     
    #18     Aug 20, 2006
  9. Dddooo, you're basically saying, "Yes, the UN and Lebanon condemn Israel's breaking of the cease-fire, but I dissagree with the UN and Lebanon."

    In essense, you're saying that all people in Iran, Syria, Palestine, Lebannon and surrounding areas that are not Jews should ALL DIE, be murdered and killed at the hands and war machine of Israel, especially all people who dissagree with Israel's own agenda.

    This tidy mass slaughter of men, women, children includes the people of all nations whose UN members also condemn Israel's breaking of the cease-fire. Annan's nation, for instance.

    This would suit you just fine.

    I don't buy your homicidal vision. Go try to sell it to someone else.

    You're (almost) worse than Jews.

    Iconoclast
     
    #19     Aug 20, 2006
  10. Did you actually read the resolution? Go read it, you may also want to read resoluton 1559 while you're at it. You'll see that Israel broke it long after every other party had. It does not take a brain surgeon to realize that Israel (or any other country for that matter) would never accept a resolution allowing Hezbollah to re-arm and re-enter Southern Lebanon while they are not allowed to do anything about it. Only stupid, intellectually dishonest people and muslims can expect and demand this from a country.

    Just because you deny it does not change the simple fact that the cease-fire was NOT immediate and unconditional, vice versa it was based on weeks of intense negotiations and it was contingent on several dozen preconditions which other parties to the resolution were obligated to implement. Unfortunately many of those pre-conditions were not observed by Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Hezbollah and the UN itself which rendered the resolution de facto nil and void.

    Of course you are free to keep your head in the sand and claim ignoring facts that no one else broke the resolution. Or you can demand that Israel implement it unilaterally while everyone else ignores it. But as I said before it would be an unrealistic, silly and intellectually dishonest POV to have.
     
    #20     Aug 20, 2006