Andrea Rossi: Game Changer or Mad Scientist

Discussion in 'Economics' started by PocketChange, Jun 21, 2011.

Andrea Rossi E-Cat Energy Catalyzer

  1. Game Changing Technology

    11 vote(s)
    36.7%
  2. Stinks of Fraud

    29 vote(s)
    96.7%
  3. Just another Mad Scientist

    15 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. That's a very negative report.

    Too bad.

    The world would be a better place if Rossi's machine actually worked.
     
    #101     Jul 5, 2011
  2. the world just has to hope that Rossi, while creative enough to produce his miracle machine, is a total klutz when it comes to measuring energy outputs 3 orders of magnitude higher than those measured by less bright scientists.
     
    #102     Jul 5, 2011

  3. Which report is negative? It seems that Rossi's catalyst, which might amplify the fusion, appears to work while the other scientist is still trying to find a catalyst.

    The point was if a scientist says he can measure ~8watts, then it's hard to see how readings of 3000 watts or more can be called noise or measurement error. Until patents are issued and products are on the market, we won't know with 100% certainty that this works. Hopefully, within 3 months or so, we will know.
     
    #103     Jul 5, 2011
  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    There is nothing in that report of the Ahern experiments to indicate that cold fusion is occurring. The best that can be said is that there appears to be some excess heat, but its origin is unknown, and it is a very small amount of excess heat so its determination is subject to large relative error.
     
    #104     Jul 6, 2011
  5. futuman

    futuman

    I wouldn't count on that. Man found what can practically be called free energy (oil) and utilizing that magnificent finding, has nearly destroyed the planet. As that source is now starting to dry up, mother earth is getting a chance to recover.
    Think what would happen if we get a new kind of way to produce limitless amounts of energy. It would be like giving the keys of a liquor store to an alcoholic.
     
    #105     Jul 6, 2011
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    Well it seems to me that Rossi's catalyst sounds an awful lot like Raney Nickel, a common hydrogenation catalyst known since the early part of the twentieth century. A great deal of hydrogen can be adsorped onto Raney Nickel "nano particles". Could cold fusion occur? Maybe, but not likely between two proteum atoms, more likely if deuterium is involved I would think. No one, until recently, would have ever thought to look for fusion in Raney Nickel. That Rossi character seems like someone who does not really understand what he is doing. If cold fusion is ever proven, it is highly unlikely to be a guy like Rossi that does it.
     
    #106     Jul 6, 2011
  7. The one that shows 3 orders of magnitude less energy production than Rossi claims - energy production so low it's inside experimental error - in an experiment performed by a guy looking for investors for his own Perpetual Motion Machine company - who is nonetheless inaccurately portrayed as an "MIT scientist", which he is not.

    That report.

    Hope that clarifies.
     
    #107     Jul 6, 2011
  8. Ok. Rossi is using a certain catalyst to supposedly give the orders of magnitude increase in power from typical cold fusion experiments. The key is that Rossi has a catalyst that works while others are still searching for a catalyst.

    In terms of measurements, recording 8 watts accurately would probably be considered trivial. Browse most scientific journals and the researchers routinely make measurements in the milliwatt, microwatt, and perhaps even the nanowatt range. I didn't see mention of the error range of the instruments, but it's probably low.
     
    #108     Jul 6, 2011
  9. The E cat does not use Raney Nickel. This question has already been posed to Rossi and he said it is not Raney Nickel.

    Randell Mill's Blacklight technologies uses Raney Nickel in a similar process though.
     
    #109     Jul 6, 2011
  10. No, he doesn't.

    He has a catalyst that he *claims* works, for which he has not allowed independent verification.

    That are two fundamentally different things.
     
    #110     Jul 6, 2011