Analysis of Christopher Hitchen's argument against God

Discussion in 'Politics' started by OPTIONAL777, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. Who has stated that the universe was created by a great magician?

    Magic is not real, but appears real to the ignorant. Magic is just following the rules of the game...and the big rule of the game of magic is playing tricks on the preconditioned mind.

    When someone says God, you have some idea of what God is...but where did that idea come from? From your own imagination, or from what you accepted as a definition of God from others?

    Is your concept of God different than the concept of theists?

    No, it is not actually. Your concept is similar to the theists concept of God...except that you hold that their concept is not true, but you are using the same ideas or similar for God.

    There are many different ideas of God, and if you were to leave the Judeo-Christian programming that you were brought up in, you might find that the terminology you attribute to God just shows your own conditioning.

    It is okay if you reject something, who could stop you? You reject theism, but you first had theism in your mind to be able to reject it...

     
    #101     Feb 13, 2011
  2. Thus you expose your "logic" at work...

    It's what you do longshot, when the going gets tough...you play the fool.

    Nothing new.


     
    #102     Feb 13, 2011
  3. it's not what's you know it's what you can prove.

    even our legal sys works this way. why because it's reasonable.

    we don't burn witches anymore on your sayso optional :D
     
    #103     Feb 13, 2011
  4. Really, what you know doesn't matter, only what you can prove to another person?

    Interesting self concept you have going on there...

     
    #104     Feb 13, 2011
  5. Can someone know the truth, but be unable to give evidence to another for that truth? Or could the person who demands the truth be incapable of understanding that truth that is given?

     
    #105     Feb 13, 2011
  6. jem

    jem

    Yes but given the building blocks of the universe and what we know of how it started... how likely is it that the universe would be set up just right so we can observe.


    Scientific models say the odds are trillions and trillions to one against our universe being just right for life.

    which is why it looks like our universe is designed if there is only one universe... But if there are almost infinite universes than anything is possible.
     
    #106     Feb 13, 2011
  7. could there be a god? how could we be more certain and less incredulous? you do the math
     
    #107     Feb 13, 2011
  8. Logically, there could be God, or god, or gods, or no God, or no god, or no gods.

    So, wouldn't the purely logical position be open minded agnostic, and not closed minded atheist?

    Logically, certainty is missing from the equation of God's existence or God's non existence...

    That doesn't keep the atheists from their most illogical position that God does not exist...but the atheist as entitled to their faith in non God just as much theists are entitled to their faith in God...



     
    #108     Feb 13, 2011
  9. "logically there could be a god"...prove it. let's see your logical proof..if it is valid and irrefutable i'll concede
     
    #109     Feb 13, 2011
  10. Ontological arguments, read them. They are logical proofs of God, based on the definition they implement. Not your Judeo Christian stuff...probably a bit too deep for your intellect to grasp.

    I propose that there is Totality as a logical statement. Totality always exists, even if there were nothing, there would be a Totality of nothing. God=Totality. Therefore, God exists.

     
    #110     Feb 13, 2011