Let's end this now, we know how you are going to reason... Hey, you brought up Israel first, I was talking about Iraq. Israel never does anything wrong, they are blameless, yada, yada, yada... That's pretty accurate, they are a little too timid when it comes to self-defense if you ask me. Israel is evolved, everyone else is a savage, blah, blah, blah... not everyone else, every one of Israel's neighbors. You are going to dodge the point I am making, which is no one has a right to tell another soverign nation or its people how to live their life...no matter what... I agreed with this point actually, I said before in every one of my posts that what Bush did was wrong, I also said that what Iraqis did was 100 times more stupid, they blew a once in a millenium chance for a better life. And yes you're right, they have every right to remain savages for as long as they desire. I long ago concluded that you are incapable of intellectual honesty when it comes to Israel The feeling is mutual, your attempts to equate Iraq and Israel in this very thread speak volumes about your intellectual honesty on this issue. Now let's end this.