An American Hero

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Kicking, Jan 12, 2007.

  1. You continue to skip around showing where what Galloway said was incorrect...

     
    #51     Jan 12, 2007
  2. elbow

    elbow

    zzzzzzzzzzz..........if u c some guys coming your direction with butterfly nets in their hands and clothed in white....RUN
     
    #52     Jan 12, 2007
  3. Guys with butterfly nets, you really a sharp one, ain't you....

     
    #53     Jan 12, 2007
  4. elbow

    elbow

    George W. Bush has kept this country from attack ever since bill clinton's mistake of not taking obl when offered on a silver platter. Fighting the armies of satan over there works better for me than over here........we lost 3000 since.........viet nam cost 58000 american lives........r u nuts?......comparing the 2 wars is borderline stupid......slick's boy sandy stole who knows what....10 times more damaging than watergate........
     
    #54     Jan 12, 2007
  5. elbow

    elbow

    our your girl hill will eventually come to the other side of closet door.........
     
    #55     Jan 12, 2007
  6. "Fighting the armies of satan..."

    I can see having a rational discussion with your would be fruitless...

     
    #56     Jan 12, 2007
  7. Silly word games and weapons of mass destruction

    http://www.hillnews.com/marshall/110503.aspx

    "In recent months, Democrats have criticized President Bush for claiming that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) posed an imminent threat to the United States. Ted Kennedy said it. Wes Clark said it. And plenty of others have, too.

    But now Republicans say it’s a bum rap. A chorus of conservative columnists and talk-show hosts claims that nobody in the administration ever said any such thing.

    “No member of the administration,” conservative commentator Andrew Sullivan recently wrote, “used the term ‘imminent threat’ to describe Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. No one. … [Wesley] Clark is repeating a lie that has been thoroughly exposed on the Internet and elsewhere, a lie that even The New York Times has stopped repeating.”

    Could this possibly be true? Could all our memories be so faulty?

    In a word, no.

    Let’s start by looking at what the president’s spokesmen said about the “imminent threat” claim before things in Iraq started going sour.

    Last October, a reporter put this to Ari Fleischer: “Ari, the president has been saying that the threat from Iraq is imminent, that we have to act now to disarm the country of its weapons of mass destruction, and that it has to allow the U.N. inspectors in, unfettered, no conditions, so forth.”

    Fleischer’s answer? “Yes.”

    In January, Wolf Blitzer asked Dan Bartlett: “Is [Saddam] an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home.”
    Bartlett’s answer? “Well, of course he is.”

    A month after the war, another reporter asked Fleischer, “Well, we went to war, didn’t we, to find these — because we said that these weapons were a direct and imminent threat to the United States? Isn’t that true?”

    Fleischer’s answer? “Absolutely.”

    I could go on. But I trust you get the point.

    It’s true that administration officials avoided the phrase “imminent threat.” But in making their argument, Sullivan and others are relying on a crafty verbal dodge — sort of like “I didn’t accuse you of eating the cake. All I said was that you sliced it up and put it in your mouth.”

    The issue is not the precise words the president and his deputies used but what arguments they made. And on that count, the record is devastatingly clear.

    To call something an imminent threat means that the blow could come at any moment and that any delay in confronting it risks disaster. Webster’s defines “imminent” as “ready to take place; especially: hanging threateningly over one’s head.” That gets it just about right. The White House described the Iraqi threat as a sword over our heads, a threat we had to confront now.

    With this in mind, consider a few more examples.

    Here’s how Vice President Cheney described the threat in August 2002: “What we must not do in the face of a mortal threat is give in to wishful thinking or willful blindness.”

    A month later, Bush called Iraq an “urgent threat to America.”

    The next month, he described the threat like this: “Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. … Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof — the smoking gun — that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”

    Or Fleischer two days after that: “Another way to look at this is if Saddam Hussein holds a gun to your head even while he denies that he actually owns a gun, how safe should you feel?”

    Or the president justifying war as it got under way: “The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.”

    For more than six months, Bush and his top deputies told Americans that Iraq posed a grave, immediate and imminent threat. Delay risked horrors like WMD terrorist handoffs or mushroom clouds billowing over American cities.

    Some now point to statements in which they seem to declaim the idea of an imminent threat. In the State of the Union, for instance, the president said: “Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words and all recriminations would come too late.”

    But here the president isn’t ruling out an “imminent threat,” but rather just bending the concept out of all recognition by arguing that the threat will be “imminent” only when we get a formal warning from the potential attackers. And that’s just more of the same rhetorical gobbledygook and obfuscation.

    Critics like Sullivan want to put the onus on Democrats to untangle these silly word games if they want to talk about what we all know happened in the run-up to the war.

    But that’s just not how it works. Just as they can’t undo what they did, the White House and its supporters can’t undo what they said.

    There’s no use denying it. It was only a year ago. We were there. We remember."
     
    #57     Jan 12, 2007
  8. "our your girl hill..."

    Heavily drinking and then posting on ET, classic...

     
    #58     Jan 12, 2007
  9. elbow

    elbow

    as long as terrorist ragheads are dying it ain't going bad in iraq...wmd is buried in sand and in syria....who cares......war had to be fought or bill and hill types would give country to the camel jockeys on a platter.........like they did china. top secret material ?
     
    #59     Jan 12, 2007
  10. read it sometimes?? please tell me right now why we went dipshit. no wmd's, no 9/11 connection, no al qaeda connection... torture??? yeah right.... gassing his own people??? nope.. US army war college said that was not saddam. UN resolutions??? that is the biggest joke.... if that were the case we would have blown israel off the map years ago. this administration only cites the UN when it suits their needs, they usually blast the UN.

    come on oldtraitor... give me one F'ing reason.... just one.

    please tell me where galloway is wrong... just one thing concerning this war.
     
    #60     Jan 12, 2007