Gulf War Syndrome/Victims of Depleted Uranium <object width="500" height="412"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/804copyJcHE"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/804copyJcHE" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object> WAKE UP PEOPLE
The Ultimate Dirty Bomb...Another fascinating look at fun war de la Bush. <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pg2NHfoC2pc"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pg2NHfoC2pc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
We simply have to accept that a certain segment of society cannot function as independent thinkers. They crave some authority figure to do the thinking for them. Just listen to the ditto heads, and other right wingers spew the party line, mindlessly recite Fox News and Hannity talking points, absolutely fearful to even think that their leader could be corrupt. Saluting the flag and in denial about Iraq, they live their lives in a reactionary mode, and when anyone even suggests that their emperor has no clothes they label the dissenter as a coward, unpatriotic, treasonous, etc. Clearly, many of these types of people have enlisted themselves as ET members. The military and its policies and practices deserves to be analyzed just as much as any other American institution. I am not saying we don't need grunt solider/followers who lack the ability to think for themselves and need the structure and discipline of the military, who need an authority figure to guide their every move, and it is a good thing to have soldiers at that level not doing much thinking, because we do need followers in the military to execute an intelligent plan. We also need leaders in the military, who have the intelligence and courage to question the direction the military is going in, and are willing to question the commander and chief, when they think they have a solid reason to do so. Not having leaders in the military who will do their job to put the Constitution above the president, leaves us in a position where a military coup at he hands of some whacked out president is quite possible. Speaking with a former CIA operative the other day, his opinion was that in many ways (the Pentagon involved with spying on the people of America) we have already seen the initial elements of a military coup at the direction of the president.
While I do not disagree with most of what you said I do take exception to this way of thinking about the grunts. One thing that has set our military apart from others in the past is that our infantry soldiers are allowed to think for themselves during the heat of battle. We have very many decorated privates that were able to continue missions after all their leaders had been killed. In WWII the Nazi soldiers were lost once their leaders were disposed of. I started out in the Army with the 1st of the 505 Parachute Infantry (82nd Airborne). As a private I already had a degree as did several others in my unit. I chose Infantry for the excitement of it. I am from West Texas so put me in the field with a rifle in my hand and I am at home. I loved being with the All Americans and I am still proud of it. But most of us could think for ourselves (to a certain point). Not much different from a Corporate worker. That being said and after 12 years in the military I did not and still do not agree with this Iraq war. While I was there in Dessert Storm we knew what we were there for and I believe then as now that we did a good thing in Kuwait. Right now I don't know what they are trying to accomplish.
Grunts have their place, there would not be the 7 wonders of the world without grunts... I am glad we do have people who are followers and are looking for the structure and nature of the military...I just don't think most of them are qualified or effectively detached from the battlefield mentality to review policy or the decisions being made by Bush. Soldiers are simply not trained and/or indoctrinated to question orders from superiors...they are not trained to question authority. IMO, in addition to this, many military types remain in denial about Bush and other presidents because of this mind conditioning. You really aren't going to question that a big part of the military training is mind conditioning, are you? No one wants to think their efforts were in vain, or that they were used by Bush or others to fulfill their own personal agendas, it is much easier to think that Bush are others are some good guys and that their efforts for being a good soldier makes them true patriots for not questioning the Commander and Chief. We could see that good soldier conditioning even in Colin Powell when he told his pack of lies to the U.N. Now the blinders are off Powell, and what do you think? Do you think Powell would like a do over?
I understand dog training, but I don't want dogs to be making certain decisions, or think that a guard dog's barking is always worth listening to...
Evidently the whole essence of the military continues to elude you. Of course, "Soldiers are simply not trained and/or indoctrinated to question orders from superiors...". I mean, you would think this would be self-evident. Let's imagine the situation that evidently you prefer. We have a bunch of independent minded, questioning members of the military. An order is given to "take that hill". And immediately, half of the company starts to question this order as insane, because the enemy is heavily fortified, and a high number of soldiers will be lost. In other words, you can't run the military with independent minded, questioning, troops. Soldiers have to be trained to accept an order and perform the order in accordance with their training. Without question. The military relies on those giving the orders to issue orders that make sense, all the way up the chain of command. And of course, the higher one gets, the more "independent-minded" one may become. But at the "grunt" end, the military must require soldiers who perform their job when given an order. That's what they're trained to do. Without this, the military would lose it's effectiveness. At the soldier level, or in fact, the level of a 1st Lieutenant, it would be completely inappropriate to question Bush. Imagine, an order given to "take that hill".....and a number of soldiers say no, we're not going to take the hill because Bush is conducting an illegal war. LOL. One wonders what qualifies this soldier to make a legal decision of this type, without legal training. One wonders how you conduct a war when you give latitude to its participants to make decisions they are not qualified to make, for any reason they may decide to make them. Our system works with checks and balances. Executive authority is checked and balanced by judicial and congressional authority. Those are the places where the legality of war question should be addressed. Not by soldiers on a battlefield. OldTrader
No Ratsass, I don't find the video "amusing". But I do find you to be pathetic. Your post was insulting, and revealing of how f*cked up you really are. You are pitiful. OldTrader
LMAO!!!!! Beavis, you fucking retard, there are 14 in this thread alone!!!!. (As you, in your 17-year-old way, would say), LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL It must really suck to be so stupid that you can't give even the most cursory thought to your posts before you let them fly. I mean when you step in the shit, you have no option but to post pictures of poodles, as you've so ably done in the past. In this you share a something with your bunkmate, zEvader. There is no wonder that you have this wide-eyed belief in any conspiracy theory that Joe Buttfuck posts on Google Video. The more I read your posts, the more I'm convinced that you're a 17 year old kid. Batshitgirl, thank you. This post was one for the ages. Maybe less than 70, indeed....