ameritrade is forcing me to cover a short

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by 151, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. 151

    151

    I guess I got myself into the situation. Its really not that big of a deal.

    I wonder though if when shorting a stock the borrower shouldnt be given a time frame for the transaction.

    Something like I will let you borrow these shares for no less than x days.
     
    #11     Oct 20, 2008
  2. 151

    151

    GTS sorry if I gave you the impression I wasnt fully aware of what I was doing.

    You do realise I wanted to exercise the options.
     
    #12     Oct 20, 2008
  3. GTS

    GTS

    Yes, you fooled me.
     
    #13     Oct 20, 2008
  4. You can only get assigned if the options finish in the money. The alternative to what they did is to let in-the-money options go un-exercsied, in which case you would have lost the gain on your position.

    My advice would be to write this off as a little "market tuition" and NEVER put yourself in such a position again. If you aren't sure you want to be assigned, close the position before it becomes an issue.
     
    #14     Oct 20, 2008
  5. 151

    151

    Thanks Rob. I feel the same way.


    Guys I must not have explained clearly. Although I did not buy the options with the intent of shorting the stock, I did at some point change my mind.

    So, I sold my shares of ford and held on tho the options. I intentionaly let them exercise because they were in the money a good bit.

    My problem did not arrise until I was told by ameritrade that I had to cover the short.

    I did not want to cover the short and I still want to be short.

    But they went ahead and covered for me and in the process charged me fees for the trade.

    Yes understand they didnt have the shares. I also understand they cant be naked on the sale.

    I just would like ameritrade to not offer me the shares if I cannot keep them.

    Its really no big deal this time. But

    Imagine if you for some crazy reason shorted a stock with your entire savings.

    The stock falls and you are making money.

    Then your broker calls you and says oops I wasnt suposed to loan you those shares. I am going to have to ask you to cover your position.

    If that happened I think you would feel the same way I do.

    That if they werent suposed to loan you the shares, then they should not have offered me the shares.

    I know my case is a little different because I ended up short when my options exercised, but ameritrade knew there was a chance I would exercise those options.

    Anyhow case closed thank you all for the replies.
     
    #15     Oct 20, 2008
  6. obeying the law is a bitch.

    Imagine, if you, being hammered for 500,000.

    It's happening everyday.
     
    #16     Oct 20, 2008
  7. Another newbie who blames ameritrade for his poor trading knowledge.
     
    #17     Oct 20, 2008
  8. GTC

    GTC

    151, you are actually lucky that your broker gave you a courtesy call and some time to cover the short yourself. They could simply cover it themselves.
     
    #18     Oct 20, 2008
  9. GTS

    GTS

    In the example you just described I would be happy because I just made a ton of money.

    I guess I still don't understand what you wanted Ameritrade to do differently - they could of either allowed your options to expire so you get nothing or they could exercise your options so you are short a $2.5 stock at $3/share - e.g. an instant profit of $0.5/share. Given the choice between these two options I guess I'm having a hard time seeing what is wrong with what they did.

    Again - what would you have had them done differently given that they can't give you shares to short when they don't have any.
     
    #19     Oct 20, 2008
  10. Ameritrade didn't offer you any shares though. And even if they <i>did</i> let you short the stock directly (which they didn't), they'd still have the right to terminate the stock loan at will, forcing you to cover. Buying puts <b>never</b> entitles you back-door entry on a short position in hard-to-borrow stock.
     
    #20     Oct 20, 2008