America From Freedom to Fascism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by EqtTrdr, Aug 12, 2006.

  1. Determined to find the law that requires Americans to pay income tax, Aaron Russo (THE ROSE, TRADING PLACES) sets out on a journey. Neither left- nor right-wing, this startling examination exposes the systematic erosion of civil liberties in America. Through interviews with US Congressmen, a former IRS Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents, tax attorneys and authors, Russo connects the dots between money creation, federal income tax, voter fraud, the national identity card (becoming law in May 2008) and the implementation of radio frequency identification (RFID) technology to track citizens. A striking case about the evolving police state in America.

    One day the American people will wake up enslaved and wonder how they got there.


    Cant wait to see the movie
  2. Pabst


    The last I saw Bush cut taxes and guys like you were yelling "tax cuts for the rich." Do fascist leaders typically support your rights as a gun owner? Obviously YOU don't care about your OWN rights or you wouldn't be leaving the no tax, gun friendly states you've gypsied around in for Taxafornia.

    To blame Bush/Cheney for the erosion of rights in a nation that has income taxes, drug prohibition, gambling laws, prostitution laws, minimum wage, civil rights laws that force individuals into hiring/renting/doing business with people they don't want to, drug agents using infra-red, utility companies who sell out custumers to law enforcement for pot busts based on electricity usage, self incriminating breathalyzer's administered at roadblocks, "sting operations", a nation that interned Japs, attacked the South, and killed millions of Indians, is there ANYTHING about this administration that's new under the Sun?

    The point I'm making is simple. It's hard to attack a guy on the grounds of creating a police state when he's a dove on guns. And for all the bullshit the left talks about Gitmo and Padilla ect., I've yet to see the G go after the Randy Weavers and Dave Koresh's of the world. Reno was a fucking dyke despot compared to Ashcroft/Gonzalez.

    This Nation as been going down hill since women got the right to vote. If that offends anyone here, TOO bad.
  3. jeafl


    Right-wingers (or is just libertarians) claim all the time that the federal income tax is invalid because the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified. However, there is no bona fide evidence to indicate that these claims are true.

    Let’s examine some of the supposed reasons for invalidating the 16th Amendment:

    “Not ratified by state legislature but reported as ratified”

    This supposedly applies to the states of Kentucky, Tennessee and Wyoming. But, if these states did not really ratify the 16th Amendment, why have their legislators never made an issue of this fact? And just who reported these non-existent ratifications? If these states did not want the 16th Amendment, and their rejection would have killed the 16th Amendment, why have the people of these states submitted to the 16th Amendment for over 90 years?

    “Missing or incomplete evidence of ratification but reported as ratified”

    Did evidence for ratification exist at the time ratification was reported? Some of the original 13 states have lost their official copies of the Declaration of Independence, thus suggesting that evidence for their approval is missing or incomplete. So must these states be returned to Great Britain?

    “Failure of Governor or other official to sign, although required by State Constitution”

    The procedures for amending the U.S. Constitution are found only in the U.S. Constitution. Any requirements imposed by any state over and above what the U.S. Constitution requires are unconstitutional in themselves. The U.S. Constitution does not require that a state’s governor give his consent to ratification, therefore such consent is never needed.

    “Other violation of State Constitution in ratification process”

    Again, what power does a mere state have to interpret the federal Constitution? No state can impose requirements that are not permitted by the U.S. Constitution.

    “Approval with change in wording; accepted as ratification of original version”

    What was the original wording and what changes did the states make? Again, states have no power to alter an amendment that has been proposed by Congress, but then again no anti-income tax crusader (or it that income tax evader?) has ever produced documentation for this claim.
    Kentucky is supposedly a state that ratified an altered version of the 16th Amendment. This is true; Kentucky did ratify the amendment, but the legislature then repealed that ratification when it was realized that the wording had been altered. Kentucky later did ratify the amendment as it is properly worded.

    “Approval with change in spelling, capitalization or punctuation; accepted as ratification of original version”

    Again, what was the original version and what changes were made by the states?

    And note that the spelling and grammar found in the document that was produced in Philadelphia in 1787 do not fully conform with modern-day conventions. So when a website or book publishes the text of the Constitution with modernized spelling and punctuation and capitalization, is the document null and void?

    Even with all of the supposed defects in ratification, the fact remains that the states overwhelmingly wanted a federal income tax. Only 6 of the 48 states that comprised the Union in 1913 failed to ratify some form of the income tax amendment.

    Note that I am not saying that I am in favor of the income tax. I would gladly see it replaced with a tax on wages/salary (as opposed to income) and debt. But I see no reason to present myself as a fool by claiming things that are contrary to fact.
  4. Pabst


  5. Marcell


    Could swap over the entire world if they should prevail with their grandiosely insane idea of One World Government. Thank God the movie is coming to theaters which seemingly is the only place left to speak to the American nation. Michael Moore tried to educate them as well, and what happened since then?