Amazing Aspet of 'Bailout Bill' That Was Passed That No One Is Talking About

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by ByLoSellHi, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. This has been all over the news, talked about on CSPAN, bill text posted all over the blogosphere - nobody is hiding it, not sure how you missed it. The now-infamous Sunday night conference call between Treasury and SIFMA members - recorded and torrented - talked about this specifically.

    Whoever is the running the "bailout" will have tremendous latitude in how the deals with individual banks get worked out. Despite the rhetoric from those who voted "Aye", it is still essentially an unlimited blank check.
     
    #11     Oct 5, 2008
  2. Basic summary as I understand it:

    Corporation XYZ needs to raise short term capital (for payroll, to buy machinery, whatever).

    In past, an employee (low level clerical position typically) of Corporation XYZ would call a specialist at the bond desk of a Lehman, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and say 'Hey, we need 1 billion by 11 a.m. today for use over the next 30 days.'

    Specialist at trading desk would say 'Okay, we will float paper today and you will have to pay face value plus 100 basis points.'

    Paper would be sold in market that day, with investors receiving bond, Corporation XYZ receiving 1 billion - everyone is happy.

    Now, people begin to see that there is a market for insuring the risk of default, which steals some interest on the paper, but makes the paper more marketable and 'safe' in the eyes of investors.

    Hence, the 'credit swap default' is born.

    Hedge funds, specialist desks at brokerage firms such as Goldman and Morgan begin to sell CSD insurance, raking in huge profits, but not being required to set aside enough capital to insure payment in the event of an actual default on the insurance they're selling.

    Not only that, but entities begin to buy CDS insurance on corporations and firms whose bonds they don't even own (analagous to buying an insurance policy on your neighbors house in the event of a fire, naming you, and not your neighbor, as the beneficiary on such policy).

    Also, these entities begin leveraging these CDS instruments in risky ways, by 'hedging' them, which acts as a force multiplier in terms of the risk of default (given that not enough capital was set aside by those selling CDS insurance).

    When the firms whose bonds were insured against actually were perceived to become 'weaker,' 'vulnerable,' or 'sick,' the CDS buying went into overdrive - so much so that with roughly 5 trillion of corporate paper being sold at any given time, there were 60 trillion worth of CDS instruments being sold - and again, no where near even a fraction of 60 trillion of reserved capital set aside to pay on any 'defaults.'

    When Bear Stearns fell, many firms that had insured against any risk of default through CDS hedging were unable to pay, creating the watershed moment of 'counter-party' risk - which caused panic as many investors began to doubt the ability of counter-parties to be able to live up to their obligations to satisfy contractual obligations;

    ...creating a downward cascade of a complete lack of trust in these markets, and the 'solvency' and 'liquidity' of just about any firm or bank perceived to be overly leveraged - and thus creating a resistance to even loan money between formerly transacting firms - the dreaded 'credit seizure.'
     
    #12     Oct 5, 2008
  3. so given what you've explained above - thanks, how's the 700Billion (840)
    bailout/rescue supposed to work when there's a 60+ Trillion default threat ?
     
    #13     Oct 5, 2008
  4. bump...good question..anyone have an answer:confused: :(
     
    #14     Oct 6, 2008
  5. pismo10

    pismo10

    This bill will make little difference. When has the govt ever run to the rescue and everything was perfect right after. Never.
     
    #15     Oct 6, 2008
  6. the bailout is a handout. period.

    not sure why there is so much confusion about CDS's. it basically insurance against a credit event. sure it sounds weird that someone is taking out life insurace on me that I don't even know, but maybe they're convinced that if something were to befall me the stock they own in the company I run would take a hit.

    Some buy a CDS on GM to hedge F exposure, maybe because the CDS market on GM is more liquid (just making up companies here)

    Yet others are using it as a method to short companies without messing with equities. the problem is that (just like writing naked puts) it's so sexy collecting premiums, but no-one ever wants to pay out on the policy.

    many hedgefunds have gone bust because they were collecting put premiums, but then the market moved against them and they had to settle.

    Same thing with CDS's. AIG was selling them like a mofo, pocketing premiums, making steady profits, "hedging" with questionable counterparties, but didn't put enough aside to make good should there be credit events. they fucked up. Just like LTCM and all the others that wouldn't accept that risk was more than their stupid monte carlo models were predicting.

    What I think is interesting why don't we hear about if these (AIG's say) CDS's are being honored. I've heard of regulators forcing the swap holder to accept steeply discounted payouts, but only on 2 occasions.

    ...
     
    #16     Oct 6, 2008