Althucher guesses: trend funds to disappear within the next 10 years...

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by marketsurfer, Mar 27, 2006.

  1. Hey that is pretty cool! The person who used to post as userid "vegasoul" is now posting as "capitalMan", and she has pointed us to the IASG performance report of the Vegasoul commodity trading advisor. Thank you!

    Here is the geneological ancestry of vegasoul -> capitalMan. Post1 quotes vegasoul but post2 shows that she is now capitalMan

    Post1 = http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...5936&highlight=vegasoul+psychology#post635936

    Post2 = http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=635775&highlight=psychology#post635775
     
    #191     May 10, 2006
  2. I made a nice 12-14% YTD 2006 with the 2 trendfollowing hedge funds that I invested in. If it aint broken.. dont try to fix it.
     
    #192     May 10, 2006
  3. profturf

    profturf

    It is interesting to note that the S&P trend following index of investable funds reported daily on Bloomberg at 1209 at close 5 8 is ups 13% from its year end close of 1069. It's covered this ground since its 1069 close on FEB 27. The April flash reports of the largest 130 CTA programs show results for the big trend followers mentioned in the Covel book as up 9 to 16% in April and 4 to 14% respectively, with comparable figures for the year to date. The big fund run by the former manager for the big baseball owner fund is showing comparable figures. And these excellent numbers appear to place the sets of funds on average down 10 to 20% since year end 2004. One must point out that what we ordinarily mean by trend following funds are those that follow mechanical rules buying momentum as defined by their special algorithms and not a macro fund that picks a good qualitative field like bond investing or emerging market investing and rides with it. With repsect to the trend following funds as written of in the standard books, and referenced and predicted by the columnist hedge fundist that sparked this thread I would have the following questions. What is the predictivity for other markets of months when trend followers have done so well. ? What does it foretell retrospectively for the trend followers themselves. By what amount on average have the transactions of funds moved prices away from what they would have been without their transactions and will these moves be reversed in the long or short run a la Marshallian supply demand analysis? Will the funds themselves now take in great inflows and repeat the terrible nightmare of making good returns when they have reducedl money under management and terrible returns when their funds under management increase? To what extent can funds that take out an implicit 8 to 12 % of funds under management each year in fees and commissions, ( based on using normal kinds of standard deviations for past performances of such funds) hope to overcome the tendency cited by Harris for decision makers based on ephemeral factors to make long term contributions to the dealers and higher level feeders in the community? I certainly dont have the answers to most of these questions but I believe attempts to answer them would be quite illuminating Sincerely, Profturf
     
    #193     May 10, 2006
  4. One cannot help but notice the similarity of your formatting and punctuation, to that of the slut-whore "cRaCkHoUr" in the posting mentioned below.

    http://www.tradingblox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18515&highlight=main+discipline#18515

    With best wishes and maximal fond regards for all,
    H.
     
    #194     May 10, 2006
  5. What a waste of my time reading "Trend Following" by Michael Covel -- I am amazed at and congraulate the guy for writing a 400+ page book and deliver next to nothing. For me, only the appendix with perfromance stats of various funds is of any use as a reference.

    Not that I don't believe in the strategy. I actually think staying with trends can make big returns over time.

    Also, curious if anyone here know how Renaissance Capital (Jim Simmons) makes such huge returns? I've read they use very short-term strategies across many markets...beyond that it is a mystery to me how those guys rack up huge returns???

    Any good articles/books I should read?
     
    #195     May 28, 2006
  6. I recall Simons saying that certain non-random patterns in the markets exist which can be identified and used to generate profitable trades. Thats about the extent of it from an interview I read.

    I imagine hes found such patterns in all timeframes on all underlying stocks and contracts, around the world.
     
    #196     May 28, 2006
  7. Renaissance returns = 1/3rd small edges + 1/3rd volatility
    pumping + 1/3rd snake oil

    Don't forget to include the returns of its folded funds in
    total returns. There was Matrix, Nova, Equimetrix... all
    of which crashed and burned and were either closed
    or folded into Medallion without affecting Mediallion's
    reported past returns. There was also a venture cap
    fund that started in late 1999 or early 2000 -- that
    one came and went so quickly I don't even remember
    the name of it.


    For the small edges SPlus has put out a few white papers
    on financial time series modeling. For the volatility pump
    anything by Thomas Cover. And for the snake oil you can
    read Simons' own interviews, or listen to one (there is a
    two hour mp3 on the Nuclear Phynance board). Or you can
    read Andy Lo on return smoothing.

    This pdf file is a good overview:

    http://www.charttricks.com/Resources/Articles/jim_simons.pdf

    However note that the events of the critical years 1989-1990
    are not wholly accurate. For the true story see Elwyn
    Berlekamp's home page at Cal Berkeley.
     
    #197     May 28, 2006
  8. thanks for the data/info, schmitty. brilliant paper on simons!!

    surfer:D
     
    #198     May 28, 2006
  9. Thanks, Kevin for the info.

    So what's the snake oil part??

    Yes, many forget about the folded funds...

    I am curious about the Axcom connection...any more insights on this?

    Thanks!



    QUOTE]Quote from Kevin Schmit:

    Renaissance returns = 1/3rd small edges + 1/3rd volatility
    pumping + 1/3rd snake oil

    Don't forget to include the returns of its folded funds in
    total returns. There was Matrix, Nova, Equimetrix... all
    of which crashed and burned and were either closed
    or folded into Medallion without affecting Mediallion's
    reported past returns. There was also a venture cap
    fund that started in late 1999 or early 2000 -- that
    one came and went so quickly I don't even remember
    the name of it.



    For the small edges SPlus has put out a few white papers
    on financial time series modeling. For the volatility pump
    anything by Thomas Cover. And for the snake oil you can
    read Simons' own interviews, or listen to one (there is a
    two hour mp3 on the Nuclear Phynance board). Or you can
    read Andy Lo on return smoothing.

    This pdf file is a good overview:

    http://www.charttricks.com/Resources/Articles/jim_simons.pdf

    However note that the events of the critical years 1989-1990
    are not wholly accurate. For the true story see Elwyn
    Berlekamp's home page at Cal Berkeley.
    [/QUOTE]
     
    #199     May 28, 2006
  10. trader99

    trader99

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060526/bs_usatoday/363misaveragepayfortophedgefundmanagers

    "James Simons, a mathematician turned money manager who prefers hiring Ph.D.s over MBAs, inched out oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens Jr. as the world's best-paid hedge fund manager in 2005, collecting an estimated $1.5 billion, according to rankings released today by Institutional Investor's Alpha magazine."

    You can say whatever you want to say about Jim Simons, but he's now the highest paid hf manager in HISTORY. He beat out Lampert. $1.5B is nice change for one year's worth of work.

    Finally, a quant guy comes out on top.

    -99
     
    #200     May 28, 2006