Almost everything works...

Discussion in 'Trading' started by danielc1, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. KastyG

    KastyG

    the secret:
    cut losses quick, let winners run. all else follows.

    when i am on right side, i know it rather quickly.

    i just let it ride.

    on the great trades, price always go further than i predict.
     
    #21     Apr 28, 2012
  2. Brilliant insights that apparently are hard for many to accept.

    Most methods will work in one particular type of market. They will lose in others. For example, buying breakouts or new yearly highs in stocks will work in an all-out bull market. It will destroy you in a down market or range bound market.
     
    #22     Apr 28, 2012

  3. Most people on this board would fuck everything up even if they received a set of instructions from George Soros. That's the way some men and women are unfortunately. There is a thread "Battle for survival" (LOL) around here that chronicles this phenomenon live, if you want to check it out.

    (and NO, they wouldnt fuck it up because soros is a jackass. Its becuase youre fucking stupid.)
     
    #23     Apr 28, 2012
  4. deaddog

    deaddog

    I suppose you have to do two things in trading.
    :) :)
     
    #24     Apr 28, 2012
  5. KastyG

    KastyG

    cutting losses short, and letting winners run works in all markets.

    losses get cut shorter when range bound, and winners don't run as far.

    the concept remains, valid still

    edit: allow me to clarify, range bound is different than choppy. With choppy you take your comeuppances.. till the trend emerges ...it always has...let it run

    unless you're HFT, then the bounds of sane trading are
    breached..no such thing as a trend or range or chop.

    all reality is reduced to a series of 0000 & 111's :mad:
     
    #25     Apr 28, 2012
  6. Is "buying breakouts" really a method? Do you really need a method to buy a new yearly high?

    If buying breakouts will work in a bull market and "destroy you in a down or range bound market," then maybe the method should deal with when you should be buying breakouts and new yearly highs. In other words, the method is what allows you to discern when you are in a bull versus down or range bound market.


    Regarding brilliant trading insights:

    Everyone knows and can easily accept cutting losses short and letting profits run. The hard part is in doing it. Why? Because it is unclear to people what constitutes a "loss" to cut short and a "profit" to let run and for how far.

    If I enter the ES long and the trade immediately goes 2 ticks against me is that a loss to cut short? Yes? No? Maybe? If yes, do I cut it short ASAP or do I wait to see if it comes back 2 ticks to my entry or even a tick in my favor as it does MOST OF THE TIME. And if I wait and the trade comes back +1 tick in my favor is that a profit I should let run? Would it be a mistake to cut the trade for +1 even though initially it was -2 and I wanted to cut my loss short? What if the trade started out +1 and then went to -2? If you don't like using ticks in the example, substitute in points.

    Reciting adages is easy: Sell higher than you bought. Buy lower than you sold. Well, okay, but how do I know it's going higher or lower or just staying flat? If I knew that I wouldn't need a method.
     
    #26     Apr 28, 2012
  7. KastyG

    KastyG

    Great point! You cut right to chase! That's no "method", that's a reckless gamble at best.

    Thanks for your clarification, you summed it in a few

    a "method" is not anything that comes to the mind, and is applied without forethought

    when you think about it's pretty stupid to buy any random breakout, the obvious is fade it

    and thats why most fail:cool:
     
    #27     Apr 28, 2012
  8. Reckless gamble?

    New all-time highs are to be bought on breakouts - one of Livermore's rules.
     
    #28     Apr 28, 2012
  9. KastyG

    KastyG

    Isn't it common knowledge that most breakouts fail?

    Then, why buy one on that basis alone?
     
    #29     Apr 28, 2012
  10. Price is random. Look at DECK and NFLX once considered leading stocks now crumbling to junk. Live and learn. Price is random.
     
    #30     Apr 28, 2012