Please see my edit above as well. Who on the right have others on ignore? I would like to see your best guess, and to see a list from others as well.
I tell you what, when you start answering all my questions I'll start trying to answer all of yours. 09-03-12 07:20 PM Quote from mrbill: Just a comment: Don't you think the fact that police are involved in crime scenes more than average citizen? Uh no dopey. Most if not all of the shootings regardless of who is involved ARE "crime scenes". Duh! And, don't you think more police are armed than ordinary citizens? There are roughly 800,000 law enforcement officers in the US. 47% of US households have a gun on the premises. Should I do the math for you? Or would you prefer to look stupid quietly? Come on, stupid statistics. "Stupid" how exactly?
Oh sure, did I miss something here? Let's see. Yes, shootings are nearly all crime scenes, yes I agree. And, yes, with 4.3 million members of the NRA alone, that we would have more armed citizens than police. I have to give you that one. The 'ordinary citizens" I guess was taken from my reading about crimes that take place, where most citizens are not armed. I think your point was as to it would be better to have everyone armed? It's been a while, and I can't find the link quickly. And, an apology for not responding to you. And, yes, you are the winner on some of these points. Glad to have a discussion. See, this doesn't hurt a bit, we win some, we get corrected on some. Life goes on. Sorry, it's pretty late, and I have terrible positions to wake up to in the morning.
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NOT everyone, just those responsible individuals that choose to be. Criminals shouldn't be armed( they should be dead) but of course they always will be armed. So wouldn't I/we? brASS hole's whole premise in that thread was that if police can't shoot straight under duress we should not arm private citizens. He even thought he was being cute about it. I merely pointed that 11% of police shooting involve the wrong people getting shot and only 2% of private citizen shooting involve the wrong person getting shot. The fact is most private gun owners practice their shooting skills more often than most police. Add to that the police often get immunity for mistakes that would land you or I in prison and it's not hard to see why private citizens are more careful and do a better job in shootings than the police, on average. Your liberal buddy, the one you agree with on most issues, ran like bitch though. Apparently he didn't have the stones for a discussion of the facts and or reality. It didn't fit his preconceived notions. I see this EVERY day and a lot more of it from your political friends than from mine.
I don't like to get into all the personal conflicts on here. Yeah, I know I break my own rules at times, my bad. I have guns, and conceal carry, which I don't think I really need, but I got it years ago, keep it current etc. I agree that we should only have licensed people with guns, but that old argument about only criminals will have guns, is still pretty true. Way too easy to get a gun IMO.
Thanks for thinking of me, or my wife, so generous of you pspr. Just hope you guys keep counting on cartoons to win the election. My bets are safer by the day.
I don't, the constitution says I don't need a license ergo it IS my license. Or should be anyway. Several states have passed "constitutional carry" laws and several more are considering it. Criminals don't generally get background checks and guns licenses. Never have and never will. So if expensive cumbersome bureaucratic red tape isn't keeping firearms out of criminal hands, what's it's purpose? Providing government jobs maybe? If licenses etc. really made a difference, a documented significant difference. I'd consider it an infringement of the 2nd amendment I could live with. But it makes virtually no difference. How many of this weekends Chicago shooters used a licensed registered firearm they underwent a background check to purchase?