All Atheist's End up In Hell

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by FortuneTeller, May 15, 2022.

  1. Good1

    Good1

    I noticed that studentofthemarkets liked this post, which is how we know it is completely wrong.

    What's wrong is your characterization of intergalactic neighbors. A wise teacher once said, "Love your neighbor as your self", rather than be suspicious of your neighbors as demons. Given the great scope of hell that I've sketched out, any visitors from the Pleiades, or proximate galaxies are near enough to be neighbors. Besides, it seems to me that if your neighbors are demons, you should really have a rethink about where you think you are. I have merely admitted this is hell, and have explained we are all here because of bigotry against Christ. It doesn't help us to perpetuate that bigotry against our neighbors, even if they are demons. You have to open the narrowness of mind enough to recognize our common ancestry, as demons, as the prodigal son, and then ultimately as Christ, our Self. THAT is why you should love your neighbor as "self". The alternative is to remain bigots, at war, in hell.
     
    #361     Jun 15, 2022
  2. themickey

    themickey

    Has anyone here read any of Watchman Nee's books?
    I've read many of them, he was my favourite author once upon a time many years ago.
    The only problem I had was, I couldn't understand what he was saying.
     
    #362     Jun 15, 2022
  3. I have one of his books. I'm not sure I finished it. I remember thinking that he seemed to know what he was talking about, but as far as whether or not I understood what he was talking about, I'm not sure, since I can't remember what he was talking about. :D
     
    #363     Jun 15, 2022
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  4. themickey

    themickey

    I bought a Gann book once, I remember the price, $100.
    I had it for years and would pick it up to read numerous times, could never understand it.
    I finally gave it away to my Amibroker mentor.
     
    #364     Jun 15, 2022
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  5. Hey, Stu -- and I was beginning to think that you had a sense of humor.
     
    #365     Jun 15, 2022
  6. Was reading jokes posted below the Bible jokes video I posted yesterday and can't resist sharing this one with you guys:

    Scientists told God they didn't need Him because they figured out how to make a universe. We challenge you. God said, "Ok, I'm up for that challenge." The scientist reached down to pick up a handful of dirt to begin the new universe. GOD said, "Oh no. You've got to get your own dirt."​
     
    #366     Jun 15, 2022
  7. Good1

    Good1

    Arguably, the manufacturing of this so-called "universe" is indeed a joke. The thing about jokes, you'll notice, is they almost always involve some kind of exaggeration which really amounts to some kind of deception. The joke is funny to the degree the deception is fairly readily recognized before it can do any damage. We don't like jokes that people take too far. But we also don't like it when people take jokes too seriously either. Notions about Christ, which are not true, would indeed be funny, if they weren't taken so seriously. It's this seriousness that turns a notion about Christ into something seriously insane.

    Faith is one of those notions about Christ that when taken seriously, has consequences. One of those is how it is used to manifest the material worlds. The universal symbol for faith is "dirt", or "dust", from which the first man is said to have been fashioned, shaped, formed, or otherwise modeled (not too differently from how you would fashion or model an idol).

    In a letter to the "Hebrews", an anonymous warlock even admits how faith is the substance of everything this world stand upon:

    "1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

    This echoes what i've been saying about faith, how it functions as a wish fulfillment factory for the prodigal son, which forms the basis of his very own world. The difference is the Hebrews, or this anonymous warlock, saw this as a good thing, whereas i see it as more like a joke. Think about it for a minute. The warlock admits faith is based on nothing, but forms the basis of everything that we can see. He admits that faith facilitates the manifestation of those things that we wish/hope for.

    The problem with faith is it is a knowledge substitute. Thankfully, you could not manifest the worlds of the prodigal son with actual knowledge. As such, faith is geared to give ourselves gifts that Christ, or any Good god, would never give to us. Faith gives us what we wish...not what we will. If our will was in tune with Christ, we would not wish for anything that faith would promise us it can deliver.

    As a knowledge substitute, faith goes directly against Christ, which embodies, contains, or otherwise owns the entirety of all knowledge. If Christ is all that exists, then all knowledge is about Christ. Faith too is about Christ. That is, it is for manifesting every notion about Christ, which, when taken seriously, will drive us insane.

    "From dust we come and to dust we will return" means that we manifest out of the nothingness of faith, and in the end, will return to the nothingness from which faith came. Knowledge will prevail in the end against the gates of faith.

    Meanwhile, it is said that faith can move mountains. No, not really, at least not anymore. Faith is the substance of the mountains to begin with yes, but since then, the locus of power has been lost. Magicians, witches and warlocks are always trying to re-locate the locus of power, and wield faith once again for more wish fulfilment. What will move mountains, and throw them into the sea, so-to-speak, is knowledge. Anything that faith has assembled, knowledge will take it apart, and return it to nothingness.

    Primordial ignorance, as well faith, can be manufactured. From a book titled "Think and Grow Rich", faith is described this way:

    "FAITH is a state of mind which may be induced, or created, by affirmation or repeated instructions to the subconscious mind, through the principle of auto-suggestion."

    The book was an attempt to re-locate the locus of power that would make it easy, or at least easier, to manifest the things we wish for. This is basically an attempt to rediscover the method by which our material worlds were manifest in the first place.

    Back when the prodigal son had yet to spend his entire inheritance of power, he could merely pronounce something to come into existence so-to-speak, by fiat. For example,

    "Let there be light"

    This is really not too different from the spell:

    "So mote it be".

    However, the use of spells eventually confuses the practitioner, who will lose the locus of the power. This is how the prodigal son spent his inheritance.
     
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    #367     Jun 16, 2022
  8. Let me ask you one question, Good1. Do you confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh?
     
    #368     Jun 16, 2022
  9. stu

    stu

    So let me ask, why will a spontaneous or accidental event be a one off ?
    There's no rule to say that must be so.
    I don't see why an engineer such as yourself would presume such a thing.

    Decay of a nucleus can reasonably be considered at least in general terms as random spontaneous events. This decay happens all the time for no reason.

    These are random, spontaneous, uncaused causes, 'accidental' (not intelligent) events.

    ...but countless spontaneously occurring simple chemical reactions and interactions, sensitive to their environment and temperature, pressures and concentrations, couldn't "by accident" go from simple to complex by more simple steps accumulating to eventually produce and create biological living forms -when it's nothing but chemical processes which are observed as the one single thread responsible in every living form that enables it to exist. Really?

    Should the universe and life in it need intelligence to create them because they're complex, then intelligence would by necessity have to be more complex than the universe itself, right?

    Otherwise it might be suggesting that monkey could possibly build that motor car.

    The 'design by intelligence' approach would always require more complex first cause intelligence to create a prior intelligence to eventually create a universe and life within.

    It follows that to create first cause intelligence would still need even more complex intelligence.

    If intelligence were what was needed to create a complex universe, there could be no first intelligence, no first cause, universe or life.

    Spontaneous, random, accidental chaotic events, occur throughout the unverse. Personally I don't regard wondorous things like random, accidental, spontaneous as inferior explanations.
    Just more likely than anything else :)
     
    #369     Jun 16, 2022
  10. Good1

    Good1

    Maybe you have an opinion about these five things?

    Who is Jesus.

    What is Christ.

    What is flesh.

    Came where.

    From where.

    If so, what is your opinion?
     
    #370     Jun 16, 2022