All Atheist's End up In Hell

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by FortuneTeller, May 15, 2022.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    The 'bible is from God' propoganda is due to nothing else but marketing.
    Humans are suckers for marketing.

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    #311     Jun 13, 2022
  2. The theory of evolution also violates the natural laws. This has been tested and shown to be true.

    Dr. Kevin L. Anderson, who earned his PhD in microbiology and subsequently was an NIH postdoctoral fellow and university professor, states the following:

    Life’s self-assembly contradicts everything we currently understand about basic laws of chemistry, information, and thermodynamics. Natural systems cannot write life’s code or synthesize life’s decoding machines. Advocates of spontaneous biogenesis simply expect too much from the workings of Nature.


    https://answersingenesis.org/evolution/three-ways-evolution-violates-basic-science/
     
    #312     Jun 13, 2022
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  3. themickey

    themickey

    Forget about evolution red herring, christians have zero proof of heaven or hell which is what this thread is about.
     
    #313     Jun 13, 2022
  4. There IS proof that God directed the writing of the Bible.

    Since the Bible warns of hell this is all the proof needed to believe that hell is real.

    Here are some evidences that the Bible is inspired (God-breathed), as declared in 2 Timothy 3:16:

    1) Fulfilled prophecy. God spoke to men telling them of things He would bring about in the future. Some of them have already occurred. Others have not. For example, the Old Testament contains more than 300 prophecies concerning Jesus Christ’s first coming. There is no doubt that these are prophecies from God because of manuscripts dated from before the birth of Christ. These were not written after the fact but beforehand.

    2) The unity of Scripture. The Bible was written by approximately 40 human authors over a period of approximately 1,600 years. These men were quite diverse. Moses, was a political leader; Joshua, a military leader; David, a shepherd; Solomon, a king; Amos, a herdsman and fruit picker; Daniel, a prime minister; Matthew, a tax collector; Luke, a medical doctor; Paul, a rabbi; and Peter, a fisherman; among others. The Bible was also written under a variety of circumstances. It was written on 3 different continents, Europe, Asia, and Africa. Yet, the great themes of Scripture are maintained in all the writings. The Bible does not contradict itself. There is no way, apart from God the Holy Spirit supervising the writing of the Bible, that this could have been accomplished.

    Contrast this with the Islamic Qur’an. It was compiled by one individual, Zaid bin Thabit, under the guidance of Mohammed’s father-in-law, Abu-Bekr. Then, in A.D. 650, a group of Arab scholars produced a unified version and destroyed all variant copies to preserve the unity of the Qur’an. The Bible was unified from the time of its writing. The Qur’an had unity forced upon it by human editors.

    3) The Bible presents its heroes truthfully with all of their faults and weaknesses. It does not glorify men as other religions do their heroes. Reading the Bible, one realizes that the people it describes have problems and do wrong just as we do. What made the heroes of the Bible great was that they trusted in God. One example is David, who is described as “a man after God’s own heart” (1 Samuel 13:14). Yet, David committed adultery (2 Samuel 11:1-5) and murder (2 Samuel 11:14-26). This information could have easily been omitted from Scripture, but the God of truth included it.

    4) Archaeological findings support the history recorded in Scripture. Though many unbelievers throughout history have tried to find archaeological evidence to disprove what is recorded in the Bible, they have failed. It is easy to say that Scripture is untrue. Proving it to be untrue is another matter. In fact, it has not been done. In the past, every time the Bible contradicted a current “scientific” theory, the Bible was proven later to be true and the scientific theory wrong. A good example is Isaiah 40:22. All the while that science declared the earth to be flat, the Bible stated that God “sits on the circle [sphere] of the earth.”

    The Bible’s claims of being from God should not be understood as circular reasoning. The testimony of reliable witnesses—particularly Jesus, but also Moses, Joshua, David, Daniel, and Nehemiah in the Old Testament, and John and Paul in the New Testament—affirms the authority and verbal inspiration of the Holy Scriptures. Consider the following passages: Exodus 14:1; 20:1; Leviticus 4:1; Numbers 4:1;Deuteronomy 4:2; 32:48; Isaiah 1:10, 24; Jeremiah 1:11; Jeremiah 11:1–3; Ezekiel 1:3; 1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:16–21; 1 John 4:6.

    Also of interest are the writings of Titus Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian who wrote during the first century A.D. Josephus records some events which coincide with Scripture. Considering the evidence given, we wholeheartedly accept the Bible as being from God (2 Timothy 3:16).
    https://www.gotquestions.org/proof-inspiration-Bible.html
     
    #314     Jun 13, 2022
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  5. themickey

    themickey

    LMAO

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    #315     Jun 13, 2022
  6. One of us is under delusion. :(

    I've shown you facts.

    You've made up stuff, like imagining that the apostles must have written the gospels from their coffins...now that one WAS funny, but obviously, DIDN'T happen the way you put it!
     
    #316     Jun 13, 2022
  7. themickey

    themickey

    Coffin Cheaters:
    In the 1980s Western Australia was home to four outlaw motorcycle clubs, Club Deroes, Gypsy Jokers, Gods Garbage and the Coffin Cheaters. All bar the Gypsy Jokers originated in WA. In 1989 these four gangs combined forces to violently eject the New Zealand-based street gang, the Mongrel Mob which was attempting to establish itself in Perth.
    :)
     
    #317     Jun 13, 2022
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  8. themickey

    themickey

    Jerusalem syndrome is a group of mental phenomena involving the presence of religiously themed obsessive ideas, delusions, or other psychosis-like experiences that are triggered by a visit to the city of Jerusalem. It is not endemic to one single religion or denomination but has affected Jews, Christians, and Muslims of many different backgrounds. It is not listed as a recognised condition in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders or the International Classification of Diseases.

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    Man who claims to be a Messiah in Tel-Aviv, 2010

    The best known, although not the most prevalent, manifestation of Jerusalem syndrome is the phenomenon whereby a person who seems previously balanced and devoid of any signs of psychopathology becomes psychotic after arriving in Jerusalem.[citation needed] The psychosis is characterised by an intense religious theme and typically resolves to full recovery after a few weeks or after being removed from the area. The religious focus of Jerusalem syndrome distinguishes it from other phenomena, such as Stendhal syndrome in Florence or Paris syndrome in Paris.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_syndrome
     
    #318     Jun 13, 2022
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    I followed the link you gave. The arguments are based on false logic. The failure of one proposition does not allow anything at all to be concluded about a related alternative proposition. Example: From a failure to prove god's existence, one can conclude nothing at all about the possibility of gods existence. A logical fallacy is often embodied in statements such as: "If gods existence can not be proven, it is still possible that god exists." The fallacy arises from connecting the failure to prove gods existence to the possibility of god existing. In fact the failure says nothing whatsoever about the possibility of god existing.

    The truth or falseness of the statement: "It is possible that god exists," must be argued independently of any failure to prove gods existence. Similarly a failure of science to explain something can not logically be used as support for some alternative proposition.

    Here is another example of this same type of fallacy taken directly from the reference you linked to:

    "...there are only two plausible answers.Life arose either from some type of self-assembly or from the direct act of a Creator."

    Leaving aside the strange appearance out of nowhere of the statement, "... there are only two plausible answers", one can not logically conclude from a failure to prove that life arose from some type of self-assembly that life arose "... from the direct act of a Creator."

    The fallacy here does not depend in any way on the bizarre preamble,viz, "there are only two plausible answers." Rather the fallacy is inherent in concluding anything at all about the alternative proposition,viz., "act of the creator" from a failure to prove the former proposition that life arose "from some type of self-assembly".

    I have noticed that this kind of fallacy pervades arguments coming from creationists.
     
    #319     Jun 13, 2022
  10. themickey

    themickey

    If you cast your imaginative mind back to early mankind, basic humans, cavemen roaming the earth, no frills, what were they doing?
    They were hunting, adapting, working together in groups, trying to survive, trying to build a community to flourish.
    They weren't caught up in religous ceremonies, god only knows why humans have gone down this track.

    And humans didn't originate from Adam & Eve and Noah etc from the land of Israel, a few thousand years ago, just more Jewish & christian hogwash.
     
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    #320     Jun 13, 2022