Alexis Tsipras' "open letter" to German citizens

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Tsing Tao, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. #391     Feb 11, 2015
  2. what I find interesting is that those bystanders who chose not to join this experiment, namely the UK and others who should not be concerned whatsoever about this issue, such as many Jewish groups, are screaming the loudest and are suddenly purchasing economics degrees which they think enables them to school Germany and the rest of Europe how things are to be run. For that matter the whole fucking British tabloid press can go to hell as far as I am concerned. They would do much better targeting their bored factory worker clientele.

     
    #392     Feb 12, 2015
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  3. d08

    d08

    They're just riding the popularity wave. Brits are always sour and complaining about the EU and Germans, that's nothing new.

    Personally, I'm not a fan of EU as I deem it wasteful; farm subsidies and the whole Strasbourg and Brussels commute, essentially just done because of French arrogance is a huge waste of money...these things are just the tip of the iceberg.
    There are useful things however and strategically a large union inside Europe makes perfect sense to thwart US and Chinese influence but it needs to be a northern union.
    That said, I voted against joining the EU.
     
    #393     Feb 12, 2015
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  4. I agree on most counts. Purely economically speaking it heavily depends on which side of the "axis" you live, whether the EU makes sense or not. Economically speaking the EU is the most wasteful project for Germans, ever embarked on. But I guess you are right, there was a time and I think it still applies today where a union with its bundled purchasing and negotiation power can have a much better impact than single countries. Google would not give a darn if France alone took issue with any of the company's practices. Nor would China. But Europe is China's biggest trading partner (yes, not the US) and they very much listen to what European trade negotiators have to say and vice versa. I get the impression that many Northern European countries actually have much less reservations against a fiscal and political union as well given that everyone in the "club" is on similar terms. That cannot happen with many Southern European countries. I think its a psychological issue. Every country and its people need something to hold on to, to believe in, to be represented by. Its like with individual people. If you get a great education, have a solid job, and are passionate and driven then you do not need to hold on to weird ideologies or pseudo political orientations and you do not have to run around with brand products to pretend to be someone you could not achieve to be on your own. A lot of Southern European countries would rather cut their own hands than walking into the same room with Germans, shake hands, and say "lets embark on a political and fiscal union together". Not only that the mentality towards "hard(!!!)" work and innovation is entirely different but this stubborn belief in national pride, national heros, nationalism in general is usually embarked on by those who have nothing else to show for.

     
    #394     Feb 12, 2015
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  5. I actually like the overall idea of the ruling Greek party and administration. I full heartedly support their ending the bailout. I disagree with them about the reasons of why the bailout did not work as planned. But that aside, let the bailout be phased out. No more fresh money and loans for Greece. On the other hand I support the ECB with not issuing any bridge loan and to not restructure their debt. Which most likely means Greece will either go into default or they will take a restructuring of their country seriously. It makes me furious how some asshole EU bureaucrats almost panically attempt to shove money up Greece's arses. Especially French and Italian and Spanish bureaucrats seem to still be in the opinion that with Greece's exit the world ends. If any of the financial institutions in the many years have still not written off bad debt exposure to greece and still are fully exposed to their Greek loan books then those institutions, such as Unicredit, should be allowed to go into default as well. Its easy to point fingers only at Greece, I am pointing fingers at stupid people. I will say the same thing if I hear of a German bureaucrat today, in 2015, who shits his pants at the thought of Greece exiting the union.

    What I see, however, is how Greek politicians and bureaucrats swing their axes, have big words and catch phrases, but has any of you seen them at work on implementing structural changes. Has anyone heard so far how the administration in Greece which was just elected plans to turn Greece around? Not financially, I mean economically. Is anyone at all working on this? I hear nothing in the press nor from any of their uncountable interviews and presentations. That is also that was seconded by most European leaders, that nobody really understands what Greece actually wants (other than of course having their debt eliminated, lol). Anyone?
     
    #395     Feb 12, 2015
  6. Visaria

    Visaria

    Th Daily Telegraph is one of the most respected newspapers in the world, not a tabloid. The writer of that article is also very highly regarded in economic journalism.

    Your comment of how things should be run smacks of something the fuhrer would say.

    All this together with your previous posts demonstrate that you are just an ignorant, facist, sour Kraut racist bigot.
     
    #396     Feb 12, 2015
  7. luisHK

    luisHK

    I also understood that despite wanting no more bailout Greece requests extra loans, no string nor repayment obligations attached.
    I'm not so sure on why you need to come back with your jewish groups though. I looked for a latmatv - a satirical rightwing israeli website- video clip about perception of Germany in Israel (it's a sketch showing israeli football fans watching the worldcup) to post here but couldn't find it- quite funny and not antigerman at all.
     
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    #397     Feb 12, 2015
  8. As noted the Daily Telegraph is a broadsheet.

    One doesn't have to be in the Eurozone to have a valid view on the Euro. Non-participants and outsiders have views on a whole range of things, like sports, human rights in certain countries and so on. An open mind is receptive to diverse opinion.
     
    #398     Feb 12, 2015
  9. @luisHK, I bring it up because the OP has posted several articles that were written by individuals that hedge anti-German sentiment and represent specific Jewish organizations that look for every last opportunity to convince the world that Germany is not to be trusted on the mere grounds of past holocaust transgressions. Each time a party is needed to join anti-German sentiment they are volunteering and are happy to fill the void. Of course I do not generalize and I never said that Jews in general harbor anti-German sentiment. But at a point in past pages it became apparent that OP had a motivation to introduce such extremists into the equation and hence my rebuttal.

    I mentioned it before, German officials are the second most frequently invited people to speak before the Israeli Knesset. That is testimony to the trust and forgiveness extended by Israel towards Germany. But there are very powerful lobby groups around the globe that hold a very different view and starkly disagree with Israel's official stance. Such groups are most often located in the United States but you can find them even in Germany. It is laughable that whatever the political topic or agenda the head of the "Zentralrat der Juden" must participate and make known to German citizens what the opinion of the almost negligible Jewish minority in Germany is. Germany does not interfere in politics or society in Israel nor in the US and especially not in the UK. Fact remains that to this day powerful groups exist that rather see Germany descend to an agricultural state of farmers and cave people than as an advanced economy and trustworthy security partner on all levels of global politics.

     
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    #399     Feb 12, 2015
  10. a) Of course can anyone hold whatever views. But when national newspapers, politicians on an almost daily basis inject themselves into EMU discussions, which really do not concern them whatsoever, then one can only wonder. The UK is not in the EMU, in fact the UK outright rejected to assist Greece in any way whatsoever via the IMF. I would say that pretty much disqualifies someone from participating in a discussion and rather relegates such bystander to a "look-only and stay silent" mode.

    b) The Daily Telegraph is of the same kind than the Guardian and all other tabloids in the UK. Take a look at the following links and follow the Telegraphs' readerships sentiment then you will know what I am talking about. And do not forget that Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, the German-hater incarnate is very happy at his home, the Daily Telegraph. He is surfacing each time when he finds a topic to make his anti-German sentiment public:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...r-debt-showdown-as-Germany-rattles-sabre.html

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/e...erman-theyre-just-ignorant-of-german-culture/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wo...am-Can-Cruella-de-Vil-take-it-mainstream.html

    http://www.spiegel.de/international...-s-mounting-distrust-of-germany-a-804616.html

    -> Particular this part, "The English Channel has suddenly become wider, deeper and foggier once again. The London-based Daily Telegraph newspaper has warned its readers against what it calls Berlin's blatant effort to dominate Europe and already sees "a new era of Anglo-German antagonism" on the horizon..."





     
    #400     Feb 12, 2015