Alexis Tsipras' "open letter" to German citizens

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Tsing Tao, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    No argument with any of this. Completely agree.

    Just keep in mind that while Greece is expected to "act responsibly", when a people feel like they have no other options, what is "responsible" to them moves into a grey area. Greeks will be Greeks at the end of the day - not Germans.

    Never once did I argue that what Greece will do is moral or fair. Just that they consider it "right".
     
    #141     Feb 4, 2015
  2. sure, and to be honest in whatever way they decide to go I am fine with it because I think even the naively trusting Germans are by now acutely aware of all the tricks and attempted ambushes by Greeks. You can's have money and do nothing for it in exchange. I think that is the exact same message the ECB sent towards Greece today when it denied short-term bridge loans that would have exceeded the limit by 10bln euros.

     
    #142     Feb 4, 2015
  3. Visaria

    Visaria

    You missed the main point - restaurants charge what they think they can get. Presumably the greek restaurant owners are still making money from charging higher prices than u would like. If you cannot afford it, you should go to the local Mcd!
     
    #143     Feb 4, 2015
  4. luisHK

    luisHK

    No, Tsintao claim was that the country would become very atractive for tourists because of cheap drachma, and cheap costs. Which doesn't fit high restaurant prices (dunno about the current prices in Greece, but it definetely used to be a cheap destination. I have a hard time conciling Greece and high end although it seems there are a bunch of fine hotels in the country ). Besides one doesn't need to go to the Mc Donald if he finds a country's restaurant poorly valued, he can also select another country for his vacation.
    Internet is a bit slow for me to look it up again and post it here, but tourism in Greece took a dive during the height of the crisis, before picking up noticeably in 2014.
    Going back under the spotlight might not benefit Greek tourism.
     
    #144     Feb 4, 2015
  5. Visaria

    Visaria

    I'm sure they have different restaurants to cater for different budgets.
     
    #145     Feb 4, 2015
  6. you keep on repeating I miss the main point while you lack the apparent basics of Econ 101. Apple does not charge the price for its phones that some could afford. If that was the case they would charge 10,000 dollars per phone. Virtu attempted that and we all know how they ended up, the company was sold for a mere 200 million to a private equity firm. For beginners, 200 million is an amount Uber and Co would not even shake your hands for and private equity firms usually buy companies that are badly mismanaged, lever up debt to restructure and then hopefully sell in the future at higher cost or take the whole company apart in pieces. Apple sells phones that are priced for the general retail market. When I talked about restaurants in Greece I am not talking about 5 star restaurants, I am talking about fisherman's shacks and marinas that cater to casual tourists. So, your funny suggestions aside what I can afford or not, your understanding of econ 101 is the one that misses the point.

     
    #146     Feb 4, 2015
  7. sure they do and congratulations you still miss the point. Greece over all on average has to work hard to again offer products and services that are marketable. Marketable means products and services at competitive cost and at a quality level that rivals those of competing nations. If Greece cannot manage to attract more tourists than even boring old Germany then there is something wrong with the product.

     
    #147     Feb 4, 2015
  8. Visaria

    Visaria

    Your lack of business nous is your problem. You come across as a academic economist, with no real experience of the world.
     
    #148     Feb 5, 2015
  9. and you are on ignore, I do not have the time nor propensity to debate with dumb people.

     
    #149     Feb 5, 2015
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Once the smoke and fire cleared from a Greek exit (and I am in no means suggesting it won't be carnage - but the Greeks will survive) cheap tourism to a country of beautiful islands and culture (ignoring the chaos from bankruptcy) will bring Europeans, Asians and Americans to Greece much like it did in the past.
     
    #150     Feb 5, 2015