. Ernie: You must have a lot of racist friends. ***** SouthAmerica: And in November 2008 the Democratic party is going to find out that there are more racist people in the US than they expected. Most people are afraid of talking about that issue in public because they don't want to be tagged as a racist, but when they have to choose between a white man (John McCain) and a black man (Barack Obama) - a large number of people would vote for the person of his own race. That is the reality and human nature fact at the end of the day. I would not vote for Barack Obama in any circumstance, but I would vote for Bob Herbert The New York Times columnist. (He is also a Black man.) .
What he is saying is that 'OTHER"white people wll not vote for a black man...funny but when you talk to 'OTHER'white people its always the "other" guy who won't
SA You have absolute valid points and I do agree with you about that....I think its funny though how its a hush hush topic that many whites will not vote for him but nobody brings up the fact that 99% of blacks will...isn;t that reverse racism on mccain?
. Arnie: You make it sound like he won't win JUST BECAUSE he is black. Am I reading this right? ***** SouthAmerica: Not just because he is a black man, people would use other reasons why they should not vote for Barack Obama. About 2 weeks ago I was talking with friends in Brazil and they asked me about the latest scoop on the US presidential race. I was told that they were following the US presidential race with great interest and were rooting for Barack Obama to win in November 2008. Then I got curious and asked why they were rooting for Barack Obama instead of the other candidates and their answer surprised me a caught me off guard? It was not a good reason why they were rooting for Obama. Then after I spoke with these people in Brazil I realized that there must be a lot of people around the world who are thinking the same thing about the United States. .
WHY HILLARY WON'T GET OUT By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN "Bill and Hillary Clinton have always believed that theyâre very different than the rest of us. Over their more than 30 years in politics together, theyâve learned one important and consistent lesson: that rules donât matter. Rules donât apply to them. Rules are for other people. Rules can be bent, changed, manipulated. And that philosophy has worked very well for them. So itâs particularly ironic that they are now turning to the Democratic Party Rules Committee to try and steal the presidential nomination that Hillary has already definitively lost to Barack Obama in the popular vote, the delegate count, and the total number of states. Now sheâll try to get the Democratic bosses to rig it for her. If the rules donât work, change them. Under the guise of justice and fair play, Hillary Clinton is, in effect, asking the Rules Committee to rule that the partyâs rules should be ignored â the same rules that the Rules Committee enacted and that Hillary and all of the other democrats supported without dissent. But that was then and now is now. Hillary wants the Florida and Michigan votes to be seated, even though it would still make no difference in the outcome. She canât win. After her embarrassing near loss in Indiana and her sound trouncing in North Carolina, Hillary Clinton is a fatally wounded candidate. Sheâs out of money, out of votes, and out of options. But she wonât give up. Sheâll never go home until the day that Obama actually reached the magic number of delegates. Why? Because she and her husband both believe that she is entitled to the nomination, entitled to the presidency. So theyâre waiting for the inevitable signal that it will, in fact, be hers. No matter that neither the voters nor the party leaders want her. No matter that she has to spend more than $11 million of her own money to keep her campaign afloat. According to the Clintons, the nomination should be hers. Sheâs earned it. Sheâs ready. She wants it. She and Bill are sure that sheâd be a great candidate. So thatâs why theyâre waiting. Because thereâs one other lesson theyâve both learned â that over time, anything can change. And theyâre waiting for any break that time might bring. Theyâve see it before. When they were worried about her criminal liability in the Whitewater mess, they held their ground. Eventually, as the years went on, Jim McDougal, the chief witness against them, died of a heart attack in prison. When the special prosecutor was after her for perjury, she learned how to delay and then get by off on a technicality. Lost in the dust were the allegations of Hillaryâs perjury. Once more, time was kind to her. It was the same story during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. At first it seemed that Bill would be quickly thrown out of the White House, but two years later, although impeached, he was still incredibly popular. Time and patience had brought control of events back to the Clintons. When they left the White House in utter disgrace over their ethical lapses and greed, they were under attack from even the friendliest of liberal media. But years of keeping their heads low, working hard at getting along with people in the Senate, turning to charitable works (with a little help from George W. Bush) and helping the party regulars erased the sordid images. Memories of pardons sold for campaign and library contributions, their scoundrel lobbyist brothers, and the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of âgiftsâ that were solicited from people who wanted favors from the White House disappeared. Once again, time healed all. Now, although seemingly out of time, they are still waiting. Something could happen to change things in just a minute. Theyâre patiently waiting for that minute. But beyond their belief in Hillaryâs inalienable right to the nomination and Hillaryâs inevitability, there are two more factors that are keeping her in. One is a combination of Hillaryâs incredible stubbornness and Billâs growing arrogance. They both believe that no one, absolutely no one tells them what to do. No one is going to force them â a former president and a senator â to do anything. So the more people tell them that Hillary should quit the race, the more determined they are that she should stay in. And finally, there seems to be an uncharacteristic absence of a reality base in Hillaryâs thinking. Normally, she is a no-nonsense pragmatic politician who understand when sheâs up and when sheâs not. But lately she seems to ignore everything thatâs in front of her except the supportive cheering of the partisan crowds and the certitude of Bill Clinton. The proof of this is that she has lent a total of $11.6 million to her campaign. The Clintons are not people who part with a dime very easily. For them to fork over that much money to a failing campaign already in deep debt is the clearest statement that they are out of touch. Even after she won Pennsylvania â by only 12 delegates â there was no mathematical way for her to win the nomination. But she then poured another $6.4 million into the campaign coffers. The Clintons are still waiting for a miracle that isnât going to happen. Theyâre hoping that over time something big will derail Obama (no doubt theyâre still frantically looking for that something). And theyâre stubbornly refusing to go home. And theyâre desperately hoping to make sure the rules donât count for them. When the reality becomes unavoidable and it is clear that Hillary has to concede the nomination in 2008. Well, thereâs always 2012 or 2016 or 2020 or ⦠These folks arenât going away."
. May 12, 2008 SouthAmerica: The November 2008 presidential election it will become a case study for future generations to see how a dumb political party lost an election that it was supposed to win. After such a major loss only idiots would continue as a member of such Pathetic political party. ***** Registered voters in the United States as of January 2004: Democratic Party = 72 million people Republican Party = 55 million people Independents = 42 million people. Total registered voters = 169 million people. ***** Black population on the United States Black population both sexes total 18 years old and over = 24.9 million Registered voter = 16.0 million Not Registered = 8.9 million Voted in 2004 presidential election = 14.0 million Did not vote in 2004 presidential election = 10.9 million Source: U.S. Census Bureau Current Population Survey â November 2004 Data released May 25, 2005 ***** In 2000 presidential election 13 million blacks voted on that election. In 2004 presidential election 14 million blacks voted on that election. In 2008 maybe 16 million blacks might vote on this particular election because of Barack Obama. ***** Official results of the 2004 Presidential election: George W. Bush (Republican Party) = 62,040,610 people. John Kerry (Democratic Party) = 59,028,444 people. In the presidential election of 2004 about 121 million people voted out of 169 million total registered voters = 71 percent of registered voters participated on that election. ***** The United States probably will have 175 million registered voters for the presidential election of 2008. If about 75 percent of these people participate on that election then about 131 million people are going to vote. The winner of the 2008 presidential election will need about 66 million votes to win in November 2008. If 100 percent of black voters vote for Barack Obama = 16 million people He still will need another 50 million votes from the white folks to complete the 66 million votes necessary to win in November 2008. Things to keep in mind about the 2008 presidential election: Ralph Nader will take a few million voters from the Democratic Party. Lou Dobbs probably convinced a few million people to switch political party and become an independent. In 2008 we might have 50 million independent registered voters. ***** Conclusion: There is no way in hell that Barack Obama can win the general election in November 2008. If Al Gore is the Democratic Party nominee he can pick up most of Ralph Naderâs supporters plus millions of independent voters. Al Gore would win the November 2008 election in a landslide. If Barack Obama is the Democratic Party nominee then the election would be given on a silver plate to John McCain and the Republican Party would win in November 2008. You donât have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. At the end of the day the only history that the Democratic Party is making in November 2008 â Those Dumb Democrats they canât win a presidential election even when everything is going on their favor. .
News flash for you SA. the dems have done this about half a dozen times. They are supremely talented at picking a candidate that can't win. BTW, Lou Dobbs is absolutely despised by most educated people. Like kudlow is always bullish, Dobbs is ALWAYS anti free trade. He'd close the borders if he had it his way.
Nice math, SA; here are some more thoughts: Both McCain and Obama will need the help of constituencies they are not comfortable with to win - McCain needs to get the Conservatives out of bed and into the voting polls, and Obama needs to make nice to those blue collar white voters that don't like him very much, the ones who "cling" to things like their antipathy for over-educated elitists. Very hard jobs, both of them. As long as Hillary is in the race, Obama's part becomes harder, and as long as McCain targets Independents almost exclusively, he will have a hard time getting his numbers as well. It'll be interesting!
Last trade on Intrade For Dem Nominee: Gore 3.0 Clinton 6.2 Obama 91.8 Any idea why is Gore at 3? I don't know how Gore has bounced from 0.5 early this year to near 5 and now hanging around 3.