Al Gore - Democratic Party candidate in 2008.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SouthAmerica, Aug 13, 2006.

  1. we agree... mccain is a globalist just like bush. we call them neocon fascist. actually.. neocons trace their origins to the Troskyites.
     
    #501     Mar 27, 2008
  2. Mccain a Necon???Hmmm..not sure i see it...is this the best our country has to offer after GW? Obama (3 years or so in senate before running) Hillary and her 2 terms in senate or McCain???

    no wonder O is doing so well...at least he is different
     
    #502     Mar 27, 2008
  3. pro war... pro amnesty... pro huge deficits... pro free trade... empire building.... anti gun rights i.e. anti 2nd amendment.... pro patriot act....

    this all adds up to Globalism. neocons are huge globalist.
     
    #503     Mar 27, 2008
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    SouthAmerica: I read that John McCain if elected want to establish a closer relationship with Brazil and India, instead of with Russia.

    I don’t know how he is going to do that since most Brazilian businessmen today go to China to drum up business – the airplanes a full both ways and all the action has been happening for years now between China and Brazil.

    On the other hand, the airplanes a full only one way between the United States and Brazil, since thousands and thousands of Brazilians are returning home and they have given up on the United States.

    China still is a much better market for all Brazilian products with its 1.3 billion people and a country with an economy on the up side.

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    #504     Mar 27, 2008
  5. got room for 30 million others? i swear we don't mind.
     
    #505     Mar 27, 2008
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    March 27, 2008

    SouthAmerica: The estimates that I have seen over the years there were about 1.3 million Brazilians living in the United States and that figure included around 700 thousand illegal Brazilian immigrants.

    But it is not only Brazilian illegal immigrants who are returning to Brazil there are thousands of Brazilians with green cards and a lot of Brazilians who have double citizenship who are also returning to Brazil - I know a bunch of them.

    There is an exodus going on from the United States.

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    #506     Mar 27, 2008
  7. Arnie

    Arnie

    When are you heading back? :D
     
    #507     Mar 27, 2008
  8. Soon.

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    #509     Mar 27, 2008
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    March 27, 2008

    SouthAmerica: We have been discussing about Al Gore becoming the next president of the US since August 2006, and suddenly the rest of the herd started waking up and jumping on the bandwagon before they leave the station.

    The momentum is growing in favor of Al Gore.

    I am glad that we still have time to elect Al Gore in November 2008.


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    Is Al Gore the Answer?
    By JOE KLEIN
    Time – March 27, 2008

    Unlike Barack Obama, Bill Clinton does not believe in "the fierce urgency of now." The former President has an exquisitely languid sense of how political time unfurls. He understands that those moments the political community, especially the media, considers urgent usually aren't. He has seen his own election and re-election—and completing his second term—pronounced "impossible" and lived to tell the tale. He remembers that in spring 1992 he had pretty much won the Democratic nomination but was considered a dead man walking, running third behind Bush the Elder and Ross Perot. He knows that April is the silly season in presidential politics, the moment when candidates involved in a bruising primary battle seem weakest and bloodied, as both Hillary Clinton and Obama do now. It's the moment when pundits demand action—"Drop out, Hillary!"—and propound foolish theories. And so I'm rather embarrassed to admit that I'm slouching toward, well, a theory: if this race continues to slide downhill, the answer to the Democratic Party's dilemma may turn out to be Al Gore.

    This April promises to be crueler than most. The two campaigns have started attacking each other with chainsaws, while the Republican John McCain is moving ahead in some national polls. At this point, Clinton can only win the nomination ugly: by superdelegates abandoning Obama and turning to her, in droves—not impossible, but not very likely either. Even if Clinton did overtake Obama, it would be very difficult for her to win the presidency: African Americans would never forgive her for "stealing" the nomination. They would simply stay home in November, as would the Obamista youth. (Although the former President is probably thinking: Yeah, but John McCain is a flagrantly flawed candidate too—I'd accept even a corrupted nomination and take my chances.)

    Which is not to say that Clinton's candidacy is entirely without purpose now that she is pursuing a Republican-style race gambit, questioning Obama's 20-year relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright. Democrats will soon learn how damaging that relationship might be in a general election. They'll also see if Obama has the gumption to bounce back, work hard—not just arena rallies for college kids but roundtables for the grizzled and unemployed in American Legion halls—and change the minds that have turned against him. The main reason superdelegates have not yet rallied round Obama is that the party is collectively holding its breath, waiting to see how he performs in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana.

    He will probably do well enough to secure the nomination. But what if he tanks? What if he can't buy a white working-class vote? What if he loses all three states badly and continues to lose after that? I'd guess that the Democratic Party would still give him the nomination rather than turn to Clinton. But no one would be very happy—and a year that should have been an easy Democratic victory, given the state of the economy and the unpopularity of the incumbent, might slip away.

    Which brings us back to Al Gore. Pish-tosh, you say, and you're probably right. But let's play a little. Let's say the elders of the Democratic Party decide, when the primaries end, that neither Obama nor Clinton is viable. Let's also assume—and this may be a real stretch—that such elders are strong and smart enough to act. All they'd have to do would be to convince a significant fraction of their superdelegate friends, maybe fewer than 100, to announce that they were taking a pass on the first ballot at the Denver convention, which would deny the 2,025 votes necessary to Obama or Clinton. What if they then approached Gore and asked him to be the nominee, for the good of the party—and suggested that he take Obama as his running mate? Of course, Obama would have to be a party to the deal and bring his 1,900 or so delegates along.

    I played out that scenario with about a dozen prominent Democrats recently, from various sectors of the party, including both Obama and Clinton partisans. Most said it was extremely unlikely ... and a pretty interesting idea.

    A prominent fund raiser told me, "Gore-Obama is the ticket a lot of people wanted in the first place." A congressional Democrat told me, "This could be our way out of a mess."

    Others suggested Gore was painfully aware of his limitations as a candidate. "I don't know that he'd be interested, even if you handed it to him," said a Gore friend. Chances are, no one will hand it to him. The Democratic Party would have to be monumentally desperate come June. And yet ... is this scenario any more preposterous than the one that gave John McCain the Republican nomination? Yes, it's silly season. But this has been an exceptionally "silly" year.

    Source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1725678,00.html


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    Is Al Gore the ‘way out of a mess’?
    By Steve Benen - March 27th, 2008
    The Carpetbagger Report

    The political world spent a fair amount of time last year mulling over whether Al Gore would run for president, who his running mate would be, whether he could win, etc. Once it became clear that Gore wouldn’t run, speculation shifted to who he’d endorse, when, and what kind of impact it might have.

    Now, however, we should probably get ready for a new wave of Gore-related scuttlebutt, centered around a new idea: Al Gore, compromise candidate.

    The first I heard of this was earlier this week, when Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Fla.), considering the prospects of a brokered convention, told a Florida paper, “If it (the nomination process) goes into the convention, don’t be surprised if someone different is at the top of the ticket.”

    A compromise candidate could be someone such as former vice president Al Gore, Mahoney said last week during a meeting with this news organization’s editorial board.

    If either Clinton or Obama suggested to a deadlocked convention a ticket of Gore-Clinton or Gore-Obama, the Democratic Party would accept it, Mahoney said.

    The comments didn’t generate much in the way of attention, in part because Mahoney isn’t an especially high profile lawmaker, and also because he made the remark to a small paper with a limited audience.

    But when Time’s Joe Klein starts talking about the same idea, one gets the sense a small boomlet might be in the works.

    As Klein sees it, Clinton is highly unlikely to overtake Obama before the convention, and even if she did, what she’d have to do to earn it would make it very difficult for her to win the general election. Obama, on the other hand, has been weakened, Klein argues, by Clinton’s criticisms and the coverage of the Jeremiah Wright story, the latter of which might make it tough for Obama to win support from working-class whites.

    …I have nothing but enthusiastic admiration for Gore, but this scenario strikes me as wildly far-fetched — and maybe a little too deep into wishful-thinking territory.

    I doubt there will be a brokered convention; I doubt Gore would demonstrate any interest in being a compromise candidate; I doubt delegates would reject a candidate who enters the convention with more delegates, states, and popular votes; I even doubt delegates would consider someone (even Gore) who hasn’t run in a single primary or caucus.

    This almost certainly just won’t happen. But that doesn’t mean we won’t be hearing more about it in the coming days.

    Source: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15032.html


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    Al Gore Presidential Mania Sweeping The Nation, Healing The Sick.
    Ecorazzi - March 27, 2008

    No sooner did we report the unlikely scenario of Al Gore becoming the Democratic Presidential nominee due to a Clinton/Obama deadlock (or random lion attack), did every major news organization jump on the “What if?” bandwagon. We’d like to think we helped start the ball rolling on this rampant speculation, but honestly, we owe it all to Florida Congressman Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-FL) — who now is back-pedaling and saying he was “misquoted”. Mahoney explained “that while it’s possible for the former vice president to snag the nomination, the option is not being seriously considered.”

    So it is possible? Damn it, Mahoney, stop teasing us!

    So who’s jumping on this? Let’s see: MSNBC had a video segment last night, TIME is wondering if “Al Gore Is The Answer?“, and Green Daily even ran an amusing “6 Signs Al Gore Is Running For President“. Meanwhile, in the more than 300 votes received, Ecorazzi readers have decided that a
    Gore/Obama ticket would be best for the nation — with 80% of the vote. Perhaps a Gore/Clinton would carry too much irony….

    Source: http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/03/27/al-gore-presidential-mania-sweeping-the-nation-healing-the-sick/

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    #510     Mar 27, 2008