AHG - Profitable Strategy for Struggling Traders

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Anekdoten, Jul 19, 2007.

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  1. You mention that it reverses so fast that you can't get out with a profit. I think the problem is that you're using the Prophet charts which doesn't have tick/volume charts. You're missing out on a lot of information within those minute bars and need to be able to break it down into more discrete timeframes if you're going to intraday scalp/swing trade IMO. If you weren't day trading and swing trading for days/weeks then minute charts would suffice then.

    I had never used tick/volume before and didn't think they would make a difference but started using them after following Anek's thread. I think Anek previously mentioned that using tick/volume vs. time charts is like the difference between night and day. After having used tick/volume charts for a few days now I have to concur that statement. Find a good charting application -- I use NinjaTrader which is free for sim trading and use OpenTick which charges a low exchange fee for the data feed.
     
    #5471     Dec 19, 2007
  2. jack411

    jack411

    Ah,

    Ok very clear now. You are using the 123 reversal the way StealthTrader mentioned way back in the beginning of the journal. I can easily see the entries now.

    Do you always use 3 min charts, or is this something new? I saw that you mentioned the ES was somewhat new to you still.

    *EDIT - sorry this was supposed to quote Chili's response to my questions!
     
    #5472     Dec 19, 2007
  3. Piscuy

    Piscuy

    I am overwhelmed with the dedication some guys put into this and your an example of it. Let me know if I can be of asistance. Happy holidays to you too.

    P.

     
    #5473     Dec 19, 2007
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    #5474     Dec 19, 2007
  5. I don't get the "grab a few points" idea. How do I know when to grab a few points and when to try and hold on for a bigger gain? There are many times I'll have a gain to start with, but it just vanishes in what seems like a millisecond.

    When I do "grab a few points" the trade ends up running for 10 more. Right now I'm getting small gains, small losses, medium losses.

    I'm using minute charts because I can't find any good charting software that will work at my office. Everything is blocked. I need to quit. I don't think the charts are causing my losses. I can look at the charts after all is said and done and I see where I should have got in and out, but in real time it looks completely different.
     
    #5475     Dec 19, 2007
  6. cchili00

    cchili00

    Yeah, I've been using 3min charts lately, was suggested to me by Piscuy. Is slow enough that you have time to watch the setup build, while still providing enough opportunities. Was also watching a 610 tick today, courtesty of an Anek suggestion :)
     
    #5476     Dec 19, 2007
  7. cchili00

    cchili00

    Are you trading more than 1 contract? If so you can exit the 1st contract when momentum slows down to lock in some profit. Then use the 2nd contract to let it ride. If it comes back, you take a BE on it, and you still got something. If it keeps going then even better. One thing I think a lot of people struggle with is trying to figure out which trade to hold and which to take quick profits. My honest opinion is that it's very difficult to know this, almost impossible. So is better to do the same thing every time, and just accept that this is the way you trade. Whether that be going for a bunch of singles, or trying to hit the homerun. Just be aware of what each entails (i.e. gonna strike out more often swinging for the fences vs. taking lot of small pieces but often seeing lots of money left on the table. Get comfortable with one and go with it. Or as I suggested earlier, split the trade into two parts. In either case, don't let a profitable trade go negative. Exit break even worst case and look to re-enter.
     
    #5477     Dec 19, 2007
  8. cchili00

    cchili00

    ES scalpin for the day...+11.75 on 9 trades. Hmmm, I think there's something to this 123 pivot stuff :)
     
    #5478     Dec 19, 2007
  9. Yeah, maybe that is the trick. Either concentrate on holding trades for large gains or concentrate on taking pieces out of a trend. Right now I switch back & forth and it seems I usually pick wrong. Right now I'm only trading 1 contract because I suck. Looking at charts after hours I can see everything so clear, but in real time I don't know what on earth I'm thinking. When I look back at the trades I took once the market is closed it is unbelievable to me that I took some of them. I'm pretty sure I'm not retarded, but I'm beginning to have doubts.
     
    #5479     Dec 19, 2007
  10. That looks easy. Nice.
    You should sit with me and watch some of my trades throughout the day, then you can learn how hard it should be.
     
    #5480     Dec 19, 2007
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