Aggressive Systems Trading Drawdowns

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Businessman, Nov 5, 2007.

  1. faure

    faure

    It's fine to be confident about what can handle but you're really shooting yourself in the foot when you endure 20-50% drawdowns which, with a 50% win rate risking 5%, will guarantee this being a regular occurrence. This is because of that nasty thing called asymmetrical leverage.
     
    #21     Nov 13, 2007
  2. what is it long only?
     
    #22     Nov 13, 2007
  3. The system has been carefully designed so that the effects of asymmetrical leverage cause only a moderate degradation in overall returns.
     
    #23     Nov 13, 2007
  4. Sponger

    Sponger

    Good observation.....does this system go long and short Businessman?
     
    #24     Nov 16, 2007
  5. makes sense.. that is why his drawdown was always at a maximum of 30% through the backtesting... we were in a bull market. Classic case of murphy's law....
     
    #25     Nov 16, 2007
  6. It is a long/short system that trades stock index futures aswell as currencies and commodities.


    The 30% figure was for 95% confidence, 5% of drawdowns will exceed 30%, the largest drawdowns from back testing exceed 50%.
     
    #26     Nov 16, 2007
  7. Since i last posted the drawdown has increased to 36%.

    The last three days were all losers.

    This drawdown has lasted 19 days so far.

    There have been only 3 winning days in the last 15 days.


    <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1682356></img>
     
    #27     Nov 16, 2007
  8. one of the systems I follow.
     
    #28     Nov 16, 2007
  9. drawdowns are usually 30% on aggressive systems.

    you only live once.
     
    #29     Nov 16, 2007
  10. If i had 300K back in 1980 than i would have been happy earning 30% a year too.
     
    #30     Nov 16, 2007