Age of Consent at 14 Makes Canada Favoured Sex Tourism Destination

Discussion in 'Politics' started by version77, Feb 17, 2007.

  1. dpt

    dpt

    In studying Canadian criminal law it's actually necessary also to consider
    Federal and Provincial parliamentary legislation that may have amended the
    Criminal Code.

    In relation to prostitution and child prostitution, it appears that several
    pieces of federal legislation have been passed amending the criminal code. One
    important example is Bill C-15 (An act to amend the criminal code) which
    received Royal Assent in 1987, and went into force in 1988. C-15 prohibited
    patronizing a prostitute under the age of 18, and increased the
    punishment for living off of the avails of prostitution when the prostitute is
    under the age of 18.

    Unfortunately, I can't find the full text of C-15 (1987) as passed online, and
    I don't have quick access to a legal library with the full text. However a
    summary of the relevant legislation is available here.

    http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/CIR/822-e.htm#cbillc15txt

    So it seems pretty unclear to me what it means to say that `Prostitution is
    legal in Canada with 14 year olds.'

    If I were giving out legal advice, and I'm not, I would repeat what I said before: stick to
    women over the age of 18 if you're going to Canada, and ask them for ID
    if there's any reason for doubt.
     
    #31     Feb 18, 2007
  2. I did mean version's claim, to be sure, just to clarify.

    Hm, what's that smell.....it smells like.........oh, i think version has stepped in a pile of DEBUNKMENT:D

    Good luck with your law studies, dpt.
    Dont s'pose, you want a slice of the alabami franchise?

    Have to be honest, turns out not such a good idea.:( My demographic studies weren't so good.......rednecks use beer and whiskey bottles for that purpose, so my backlog of guns and truck bits is gonna ruin me!

    They drink the beer/whiskey, then use the bottles as *ahem* toys, and if it dont go so well, they smash'em and use "em as weapons-im ruined:(

    Mind you, could probably get cost for the inventory, as guns and old truck parts.............ruined, i tell's ya



    :D
     
    #32     Feb 18, 2007
  3. dpt

    dpt

    Thanks, but no thanks: too busy with my hydroponic farms. Got a nice setup in Vancouver.

    Tomatoes only, natch, but really first class :p
     
    #33     Feb 18, 2007
  4. I challenge anyone to show me an arrest record for a 14 year old
    who was given money after having sex with a stranger in Canada.
    It does not happen. It is not enforced. It is not "illegal".

    Go visit Vancouver some time. You will see what I am talking about.
     
    #34     Feb 18, 2007
  5. NO!?!? Really??? How surprising.
     
    #35     Feb 18, 2007
  6. dpt

    dpt

    Sorry, but argument doesn't work that way. It was your assertion that
    prostitution with 14 year olds is legal in Canada:

    It's now your assertion that there have never been arrests of the kind that you
    describe, so it's you who needs to produce the arrest records for all of
    Canada, for, let's say, the last 20 years, if you expect us to believe you.
    Even if you are correct that there were no such arrests anywhere in Canada, it
    doesn't prove your original assertion.

    Prostitution per se is not a crime in Canada. It's not relevant how old
    the prostitute is. So it isn't the 14 year old girls who can or should be
    arrested under Canadian law. The girls haven't committed any crime by being
    paid for having sex, unless they were caught soliciting for sex, running a
    brothel, or forcing other people into prostitution, or certain other
    activities.

    In the situation that you describe: a child prostitute is simply caught
    receiving money for sex from an adult, she is considered to be the victim of a
    crime under Canadian law.

    So it's the adult client of the child prostitute who is, and who should be,
    subject to arrest. A google search turns up a number of stories from reputable
    US newspapers, such as the Christian Science Monitor, describing cases in
    which such arrests have been made, in particular in Vancouver. I'll provide
    links if I can find the full text online.

    Your assertion `Prostitution is legal with 14 year olds in Canada,' is thus
    false, unless one tortures the English language beyond the breaking point.

    Prostitution with 14 year olds is not legal in Canada, because Canadian
    Criminal law forbids it. That's consistent with the dictionary definition of
    illegal, as far as I know.

    Using your logic, I could assert that it is `not illegal' for some 15 million
    Mexicans, who don't have US visas, to reside and work in the US, because US
    immigration laws are not enforced, or that it's `not illegal'
    not to pay income tax in the US, because the IRS never goes after small
    businessmen and contractors who make a lot of their money off of the books,
    in the cash economy.
     
    #36     Feb 18, 2007
  7. Versions done it again:D
    Yes, they should definitely be out arresting 14 year olds; how dare they victimise them poor johns:D

    Want to borrow a crowbar to pry your foot out of your mouth?:p
     
    #37     Feb 18, 2007
  8. I haven't seen where you have proven me wrong anywhere.

    Plese post the exact text of the law where it says a 14 year old
    old can not receive money for having sex in Canada if she is not
    working a street corner and is not located at a brothel or her home
    or where she is communicating about or soliciting her "wares".

    Taken from a Canadian website:

    The dilemma of teen-age prostitution appears to have been exacerbated by the fact that the age of consent for sexual activity was lowered from 16 years of age to 14 years in the 1987 amendments to the Criminal Code. Therefore, youngsters over 14 years of age, both male and female, who are involved in prostitution, can refuse assistance on the ground that they have the authority to give their consent to the sexual activity and that neither the parents nor the police can legally object to it. Added to this, under Canada's prostitution laws, the sale of sex itself is not prohibited, but only the communicating or soliciting of it -- which makes convictions much more difficult to obtain.

    If you ask me, it is the French who want to keep their Lolita's
    available to themselves in Canada. Otherwise, they would of
    made laws to stop this BS already.

    Canada is a very liberal place. I think marijuana is just about legal
    there too along with topless nude beaches. We can expound on this
    subject also or start another thread about it...:p
     
    #38     Feb 19, 2007
  9. You sound like it is okay for a 65 year old to screw 14 year olds. If you had a 14
    year old daughter yourself I would hope you wouldn't have this attitude.
    But it is obvious you already have this attitude anyway. So I guess
    it wouldn't matter...

    I think you just put your foot in your mouth...:D

    Do you want to borrow a crowbar to pry your foot out of your mouth?...:D
     
    #39     Feb 19, 2007
  10. dpt

    dpt

    http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partIII/2005/g3-02804.pdf

    For people who don't know what the Canada Gazette is, I'll
    quote from the introduction.

    Go to Chapter 32 of this pdf of Part III of the Canada Gazette, published from
    Ottawa, Monday, September 19, 2005.

    Find page 252 of the pdf. Look for the paragraph next to the notes in the far
    left hand margin:

    Offence -- prostitution of person under eighteen

    Consideration generally means monetary or other reward.

    In addition Canadian citizens who sexually abuse children and/or use child
    prostitutes whilst travelling can be prosecuted in Canada for a number of
    sexual offences under the Criminal Code.

    For future reference: Lolita is a wonderful work of fiction written by
    a Russian emigre about life in, of all places, the great United States of
    America, where the age of consent to sexual activity varies from 13 years of
    age to 18 years of age.

    In the US there is, of course, no child prostitution whatsoever.

    Prostitution with 14 year olds is not legal in Canada. That's a fiction of
    your own creation. Personally, I think that between the two of you,
    Nabokov is the better writer.
     
    #40     Feb 19, 2007