Ag trade ideas

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by TraDaToR, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    There is a long term seasonal window for Aug/Oct 16 Lean hogs starting now. It's really reliable historically, but it is quite high already and the spread is volatile in the mean time. Does it makes sense this year? I have a feeling I shouldn't take it... Any fundamental insight?
     
    #951     Sep 28, 2015
  2. Do you know all the reports they have ? Or do you check if they have a report ?
     
    #952     Sep 28, 2015
  3. 1- Seasonality is not that good
    2 - Level is an important factor and the spread is already really low !
     
    #953     Sep 28, 2015
  4. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Between Oct 1 and Aug 14 next year, it is a 95 % winning spread on 37 years...It rarely gets any better...But you are right, it is already too high( or low depending on how you quote ) and that was the reason I was reluctant to take it...
     
    #954     Sep 28, 2015
  5. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    Otherwise what do you think will happen on wednesday? On soy? Corn? Wheat?
     
    #955     Sep 28, 2015
  6. Vyki

    Vyki

    These are all reports from them that i've googled
    upload_2015-9-28_12-55-44.png

    maybe the fundamental reason of the rise of the spread is the decreasing number of farrows and pig crop?
    upload_2015-9-28_15-12-5.png

    If you look at last 5 years you will see that the spread isn't high. Also this year other spreads (e.g. HEV-HEZ) were high too.
    upload_2015-9-28_15-15-44.png

    But maybe the end of october is a better entry point?

    Also 10.000 looks like a good support so maybe it's worth entering here
    upload_2015-9-28_15-23-14.png
     
    #956     Sep 28, 2015
  7. On my graphic the seasonality is really not that good. I dont think 37 years is the relevant time frame. Or that winrate is the best indicator to trade. However, I feel there is something more between my data and seasonalgo ?
     
    #957     Sep 28, 2015
  8. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    The datas seems quite the same...

    So what are your metrics to judge a good seasonality? I did a previous attempt at seasonal trading a few years ago and at the time I used the window between the seasonal high and lows of the spread and I found it was much less reliable than what I am doing this year: Get the smaller window between the seasonal high and low where spreads are all moving together up or down( which translates in the highest % win )
     
    #958     Sep 28, 2015
  9. I like the sharpe ratio of the returns. Winrate can be unreliable when you have big losses for small gains. For instance, you have such situations when you are long contango in grains/oilseeds.
     
    #959     Sep 28, 2015
  10. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

    That's right. Good observation.
     
    #960     Sep 28, 2015