Affordable care act

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Oct 13, 2016.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    Why 27 Million Are Still Uninsured Under Obamacare
    By Jeremy Scott Diamond, Zachary Tracer, and Chloe Whiteaker
    October 19, 2016

    When the Affordable Care Act was signed into law in 2010, it promised to extend health insurance to tens of millions of people. And although the law has helped push the U.S. uninsured rate down to a record low, the ACA’s new insurance markets are proving to be volatile, with insurers recording big losses and pulling out. Meanwhile, there are still millions of people without health insurance.

    One key to stabilizing the law is drawing in more of those who are uninsured, particularly the younger, healthier ones. In fact, young people are the most likely to go uninsured, according to a detailed analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation. The analysis shows that those who lack insurance cut across age and income and vary from state to state. Taking a look at who these people are can give clues to how the health law is falling short, and what can be done to fix it...

    http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-obamacare/
     
    #11     Oct 22, 2016
  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Hopefully Hillary can get the medicare option added to Obamacare than the people can tell the ins companies to go fuck themselves.
     
    #12     Oct 22, 2016
  3. nitro

    nitro

    I agree 100%. In order of importance for whomever is the next Prez:

    Universal Healthcare. Medicade/Medicare for everyone.
    Universal Free State College.
    Citizens United.
    Dissinsentivize lobbying on K-street
    Simplify taxcode and close loopholes.
    Protect current social programs, e.g., Social Security.
    Many many here....

    If you do the top three, you are a long way to doing the rest. The reason the first two are so critical is that it removes a huge burden on everyone to [re]build a middle class. With greater educational/trade skill the need to worry about low wage jobs solves itself.

    The others allows the "many many here" policies to follow down the time-line with the least amount of friction. The key is to do it such a manner where it does not kill all the positives of Capitalism, and at the same time creates a strong happy middle class. Social Democratic Capitalism. Is that an oxymoron?

    Then we may get 4% growth again and start paying down the debt, refreshing infrastructure, more efficient newer military, etc, etc, etc...
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2016
    #13     Oct 22, 2016
  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
    #14     Oct 22, 2016
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    This is where some many people disagree with you. If you look at surveys of the U.S population the top priorities of the next president should be:

    - Defending our country against terrorism.
    - Fixing or eliminating Obamacare.
    - Improving our military.
    - Fixing the immigration system
    - Fixing the VA

    What you listed above is merely a wish list of the far left, not a list that aligns with the top priorities of Americans taken from surveys.
     
    #15     Oct 23, 2016
  6. nitro

    nitro

    I agree those are all important priorities. I have no beef with the bottom three. I vehemently object to the point that terrorism is such a pressing matter to take disproportionate action at this time. I do agree that Obamacare needs fixing, probably migrating to Medicare. But the Republican fix to the Affordable Care Act is to privatize insurance. I vehemently disagree with this.

    A picture [video below] is worth a thousand words. I will add that just like in HFGW boiling frog experiment, the frog doesn't notice the incremental warming up until it is too late when the water boils, terrorism is going to get progressively worse to a "boiling point" [dirty bomb] unless we take steps to diffuse it. Where I disagree is with the Republicans solution (massive deportations and screening based on religion), but I do agree that it is a problem whose trajectory can only get worse if ignored:

     
    #16     Oct 23, 2016
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Do you want the U.S. to become like some other foreign countries where every day Islamic terrorism kills scores of people? Sadly the largest group of victims are their fellow Muslims world-wide. Take a look at the list of Islamic terrorist attacks just from 2106. We want to avoid having the U.S. frequently appearing on this list - which makes defending our country against terrorism a top national priority.

    On a different subject, the primary problem with Obamacare is that it was set-up and designed by lobbyists from the healthcare & insurance industry with the intent of being a government give-away. Of course, this back-fired for the insurance industry when Congress in 2014 refused to vote extra money each year for risk corridor payments to cover the insurance company losses (which would be over $25 Billion by now, instead of the $1.4 billion million Obama projection).

    The reality is that Obamacare is not financially feasible. If our country believes that universal healthcare is an appropriate public policy goal (which people will debate) then it is best to put a public plan in place. Canada and Europe has many good examples of public plan structures that can be used as a starting point. Most have options for private plan selection instead of the public plan for a small additional monthly payment by employees. The public plan establishes a base-line for healthcare. In the U.S. this would likely be done by extending Medicare / Medicaid.
     
    #17     Oct 23, 2016
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    1.Fewer people have been killed in terror attacks under Obama and Bill Clinton combined than under the last republican president.Even overseas Benghazi is nothing compared to the hundreds who died in The Marine Barracks bombing under Reagan and the 23 US embassy attacks under Bush and Reagan.

    2.Me and Nitro gave some great ideas to fix Obamacare and we might finally get a medicare for any citizen option under Hillary.

    3.We currently spend 11 times more on defense than the next 11 countries combined.Russia and China are still trying to catch up to 5 generation jets that we have had for years.We have multiple new ships and Subs under construction.How much more do republicans want to spend on "improving our military" which is already the best and most funded in the world by far?

    4.I agree we need to fix the immigration system,and we have had bipartisan bills to do so but tea party republicans keep stopping it.
     
    #18     Oct 23, 2016
  9. nitro

    nitro

    Why is it, that people in jail have better health care than the general public?

     
    #19     Oct 23, 2016
  10. With the robots coming online in the not too distance future, it doesn't make sense to keep the human race alive. Those who can afford health insurance are the productive ones whereas the rest will surely be supplanted by a robot or machine. Why keep the unproductive alive? The human race is just an evolutionary step, if there are elements unable to produce to survive then let them become a footnote in history.
     
    #20     Oct 23, 2016