Advice from the experienced

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by vanilla2, Mar 26, 2003.

  1. finding an edge is not easy. if you're going the mechanical way, you're gonna have to spend countless months/years of your life backtesting every little concept and calling bullshit or going "hm that looks kind of good." unfortunately, the first happens much more often than the second.

    so you say, screw that, i'll be one of those discretionary traders. well then welcome to the world of getting "screen time", ie. staring at the chart day in and day out, playing back charts and papertrading on the simulator for months on end, until you finally (and hopefully:) get that "gut feeling" (experience/intuition) that discretionary traders rely on.

    Either way you're in for a long ride of sweat, blood, and tears:) If you're not ready, I'd go back to your job.
     
    #41     Mar 26, 2003
  2. by someone that developed a mechanical system:

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10237&highlight=40yotrader

    It is actually fairly easy to find a set of indicators(canned) that will produce fantastic backtested results. Say use eight months of one minute data ~ 65,000 data points and then produce a system. I guarantee your fantastic system will NOT produce the same result into the future! That is optimizing the variables in your system to the data. The best mechanical systems on the market (see Futures Truth) are generally methods that work but produce large drawdowns. Drawdowns are a fact of life with mechanical systems.

    The simple idea in the above thread is best way to produce a winning system that has longevity. Systems with multiple variables will most likely just give you an optimized system with no hope of future success.

    Good luck!
     
    #42     Mar 26, 2003

  3. gee sys it's very easy actually. just trade S/R. enuf said. :-/
     
    #43     Mar 26, 2003
  4. LongShot,

    That is certainly a logical approach that I am very drawn to, as opposed to more esoteric abstractions of price (not that I'll exclude this type of analysis by any means). Nothing lags price less than price, right?

    I have studied the Tradestation code for automatic trendlines and pivots to design a SR based strategy. I considered a strategy that would weight pivots based on how long ago they occured and how major/minor they are, then use them to define a support range and a resistance range. I wasn't sure if it would be better to trade within the range, or when the range is broken. Is this in the ball park, or am I making it more complicated than it has to be?
     
    #44     Mar 26, 2003
  5. I've come across this Futures Truth Magazine from time to time. Seems he runs something of a Consumers Reports for systems.
    I know nothing of his standing in that community though.

    www.futurestruth.com

    Geo
     
    #45     Mar 26, 2003
  6. great Q's
     
    #46     Mar 26, 2003
  7. rtstrading,

    Great link. I just read the thread by 40yotrader. WOW. And I thought I was working hard. Unless I missed something, he never posted the results of his work. What happened with his system?
     
    #47     Mar 26, 2003
  8. stocon

    stocon

    http://www.dacharts.com/


    http://www.talkstox.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?forumid=13




     
    #48     Mar 26, 2003
  9. 40 never came back to tell us how he did. Shame.
    I hope he didn't have a bad day on that fateful day of November 1st and did something stupid.
    Hopefully he didn't start out his career with a drawdown.
     
    #49     Mar 26, 2003
  10. shoot! what could that mean? he sounded too well prepared not to work it out. he did seem like he was coming under some unusual psychological stress toward the end there though, considering his earlier level headed approach to loss. I hope he got it right.
     
    #50     Mar 26, 2003