Advantages & Disadvantages of Religion

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by themickey, Apr 3, 2022.

  1. themickey


    Imagine for a moment, when we die, we come back reincarnated as another person on earth.
    Just think, of every person who is alive or dead, over the course of millions of years of history, from now on, you get to come back time and again to live their lives. Like a record, life replays but you are someone different, in a different time and place you live the life of someone who has been alive.
    Just think, the guy you saw a while back living in a cardboard box, you get to live that person one day.

    But now, imagine you come back reborn in China, North Korea, Japan, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Russia, Germany during the 1st world war....
    Your chances of becoming Christian are about nil.

    Your current christianity is only a result of the country you currently live in and your peers who introduced you to the bible.

    How do you feel now about your uppity superior attitudes, that you deserve to go to heaven because of choices you made? That choice being, you decided to put your hand up and say "I commit to Jesus", in a pro-christian environment.
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    #21     Apr 29, 2022
  2. You have changed the Biblical message of salvation.

    It's not about a simple "I choose Jesus" statement.

    It's about recognizing our rebellion against God and realizing that God alone is good and He is right to judge evil. It's recognizing that there is corruption within each of us....we all fall very far short of God's righteous standard. It's recognizing that though every evil thing we have done should be balanced out by righteous judgment, that God would rather we not come under His judgment and so God Himself, in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ, took on humanity and let humans torture Him to death. On the one hand, this proves the murderous capabilities of humans. On the other hand, it provides a way that God can render justice for sin yet still forgive the sinner. Jesus becoming our substitute was a very kind act of God for guilty, undeserving people.

    By rejecting the message of Jesus, one is agreeing that they want to continue in the rebellion against God that comes naturally to us because we are all born in a fallen state with an inclination to sin, which is NOT how God originally created humans.
    #22     Apr 30, 2022
  3. themickey


    Load of tosh, no one is rebelling against God.
    If he created us, we are what we are, you can't blame humans for being human.

    But you want to keep steering everybody back to what the bible says.
    I could care less about that flawed load of rubbish theories book.
    #23     Apr 30, 2022
  4. themickey


    Yup, not gonna get sucked into the bs about jesus.
    Blasphemy! That's another christian made up word to try and install fear into the opposition.
    "Oh, you are blasphemous, burn him at the stake, excommunicate him from our midst, he dares question our dogma".
    Christianity is all about fear and control.
    #24     Apr 30, 2022
  5. themickey


    Anyhow, you are deflecting from the meaning of my post which was.....
    Christians feel they made the right choice.
    What of all the people who had no choice, burn in hell?
    Ludicrous religion, sociopathic.
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    #25     Apr 30, 2022
  6. stu


    #26     Apr 30, 2022
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  7. People from all walks of life commit atrocities.

    The Bible instructs Christians to love each other, love their enemies, be kind and do what is right and good and pray for those those persecute them. Not all people who say they are Christians follow this. Not all unbelievers follow this either. The problem is that people are sinners.

    Wording it another way:

    If people were always kind and good then nobody would try to control other people or come up with schemes for taking their money. However, people have a tendency to do these things and will often do it in the name of religion. This demonstrates the corruption that exists within people and validates the Biblical teaching that all are sinners.
    #27     Apr 30, 2022
  8. You are still viewing it differently than the Bible describes our condition.

    We all make moral choices. We will one day give an account for every moral decision we make. God will judge each one and justice will be done. Jesus said this in a parable to make the point that there will be different levels of judgment given by God:

    47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. Luke 12:47, 48
    If you don't want to be judged for your moral decisions, then don't do anything that is morally wrong in God's sight. Unfortunately, we can't. Fortunately, God provides a way of forgiveness. Unfortunately, most people will mock God's Provision as well as their accountability for their own actions. Fortunately, some people will turn and be saved from judgment.

    Unfortunately, most will not.

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    #28     Apr 30, 2022
  9. themickey


    #29     Apr 30, 2022
  10. stu


    Sadly, that is indeed how it goes

    The religious:
    Jesus made everyone sinful so that they must sin (God made it that way) . Say sorry and repent to imaginary Jesus. Be forgiven for doing wrong, job done, rinse, repeat.

    The non-religious:
    no excuses

    Religion plants a seed for pervasive wrongdoing through its own insidious dogma, warranting otherwise good people to do terrible things.

    Reminds me of that quote from Steven Weinberg
    "Religion is an insult to human dignity.
    With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
    But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
    #30     May 1, 2022