Addicted to Average Down?

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Pension_Admin, Jan 22, 2010.

  1. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    I agree completely that timing is everything, and definitely this strategy is contrarian (as am I, looking to counter-trend my way into the new trend whenever possible or looking for reversion to mean on over-extensions in a range).
     
    #31     Jan 23, 2010
  2. Nope... Because my wife would not let me! Seriously, my wife would not let me. My wife runs the budget, while I choose the investments. And we are conservative.

    Because we have already been blown out of the water.

    Around 1997 just after we graduated from university my father contracted cancer. So we bought my parents house, and this was Germany. At the time Germany was going through a housing bubble. Forward a couple of years and we needed to sell the house. We bought at the absolute worst time and we had to take a 30% hit on the house price. For two years we paid a mortgage to a house we did not own anymore! That experience has made us very very humble.
     
    #32     Jan 23, 2010
  3. volente_00

    volente_00

    LOSERS AVERAGE LOSERS



    If you are wrong and you average then you increase your risk.

    If you turn out being right after averaging, then you reinforce a bad habit in your mind that will one day come back to bite your a$$.


    Before every trade 3 things should be defined.

    Entry

    Exit

    Stop



    Averaging down is a good strategy if you have a 20+ year time frame and do it in indices.
     
    #33     Jan 23, 2010
  4. Candace

    Candace

    Do you also average up?
     
    #34     Jan 23, 2010

  5. Indeed. If there is no method or rules or evidence for the average down then it is purely gambling.

    Martingales are very doable if you have an buff enough account and clean rules for flipping directions.

    I've used them very successfully before I became a technical trader. As a technical trader with money management ... I don't use them often, though I have a complete system developed that has worked well in both back-testing and play moneys.

    I've also lost huge with Martingales prior to becoming a technical trader. (Gambling in the Market)

    I've won at Roulette quite substantially using martingales as well.


    Overall ... it works if you have rule sets and money management and you have a successful system to capture candlesticks.

    Averaging down is not for the feint of heart, or unskilled trader.
     
    #35     Jan 23, 2010
  6. When you average down, are you really winning or are you just borrowing money from the market in which you will have to pay back with interests?
     
    #36     Jan 23, 2010
  7. Candace

    Candace

    Hi. I'm Candace and I'm an addict. I used to enjoy averaging down only occasionally. No one needed to know. But as time went by, I grew to love it, to depend on it. Always right, what could be more seductive? I live for that moment after a huge drawdown, when the trade turns positive and I close the position, sweet relief washing over me. Eventually I found those perfectly timed trades disappointing. What was the point of painstaking analysis when I went in with puny size and had no desire to average up? Preemies, I call them. Premature profit, showing up before I get a chance to average in properly. Those trades don't annoy me for long. I shut those preemies down so I can allocate the funds to address those nasty red patches on my screen. They sit there, like ugly blemishes on a meth addict, requiring me to be at the ready to twitchily alt-tab them away when someone approaches. It’s all good though, secrets are exciting.

    I know I’m not alone. I used to visit the journals of other ADA’s (average down addicts) when I was feeling unsure of myself, but I've witnessed too much pain and drama over the years. Perhaps we should all just use in private. Probably best not to discuss it.
     
    #37     Jan 23, 2010
  8. I doubt it. But I suspect addicts expecting to get lucky average down.
     
    #38     Jan 23, 2010
  9. #39     Jan 23, 2010
  10. Hi Candace,

    Thank you for the posting and your honesty. I think we all know averaging down is bad and will eventually lead us to ruin, but some of us still do it anyway. It is a pure addition, much like gambling in a casino. We know the odds are against us, but we'll gamble anyway.

    It is a dangerous addiction that could cost more than what we bargain for. We need to eliminate it.

    PA
     
    #40     Jan 23, 2010