ActiveTick vs. IQFeed vs. IB (TOFTT)

syswizard · Oct 18, 2018

Polygon.io said:
Most of our clients use Polygon to build their own custom trading applications. We provide standardized REST and websocket APIs. It may work with some trading software, but it's not something we test currently.
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Know of anyone who has attempted to use the Interactive Broker's API to link IB trades using your data feed instead of theirs ?

Polygon.io · Oct 18, 2018

We have had many users coming from IB. But I'm not sure exactly what they're doing with it. I'm not very familiar with IB, however I do know quite a bit about ActiveTick.

90Degrees · Nov 25, 2018

what is websocket api, can it be used with excel as an ondemand api and merged to formulas on the worksheet or no?

Polygon.io · Nov 25, 2018

90Degrees said:
what is websocket api, can it be used with excel as an ondemand api and merged to formulas on the worksheet or no?
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Sorry - No, we do not support excel at the moment, we are more developer focused.

syswizard · Dec 2, 2018

Polygon.io said:
We have had many users coming from IB. But I'm not sure exactly what they're doing with it.
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They're likely replacing the crumby data feed from Interactive with yours and simply doing the trades thru the IB API.

gvecis · May 20, 2024

SeattleAlgo said:
Yes, the average varies between 300 to 600 ms depending on individual exchange and trade / quote tick type. StdDev is typically 500-800 ms.

At the same time iqfeed anounced the upcoming introduction of the millisecond timestamp field. May be worth another look when that actually happens.
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hello seattlealgo - i just registered with ETTrader - goal being to make contact with you - I have used ActiveTick many mnay years on and off but would like to talk to you

gvecis · May 20, 2024

SeattleAlgo said:
Take One For The Team

I was frustrated not been able to find any reasonable comparison between AT and DTN feeds short of "DTN is the best out there" (without much clarification of what the "best" actually means). So I had to spend about $500 and a good part of the Labor Day weekend to do my own assessment. As these threads are searchable in Google, I am hoping that somebody will someday find my notes useful.

To better understand my remarks below it helps to know what I was looking for in the first place. All my trading is 100% back-tested and 100% automated so I needed a reasonably accurate and reasonably priced source of historical tick data for US equities and a reasonably fast and reasonably accurate source of real-time data for US equities. And I wanted both to hopefully be better than my "free" IB data. So I looked at:

1. NASDAQ-On-Demand. This is historical-only ticks and quotes. Rather expensive (~30 cents per symbol per day of trade data, 2x-3x that if also want quotes and not just trades). Minimum is $100 per month. I downloaded trade data for a number of stocks and days I was interested in. The data is very clean, all trades come with the corresponding attributes (open, close, cross, intermarket sweep order, etc.). Nice clean web-service interface - very easy to start. I used the downloaded trade data as a reference for those other options below.

2. Active Tick. They have both historical and real-time data. The historical data is somewhat less perfect compared to NASDAQ (example: sometimes the NASDAQ open trade is only reported once as the market center open and not twice as it should be (the second one as a regular cross trade with an open attribute). NYSE open is reported correctly. Likely because of this bug their bar data has the NYSE open as the open for the day, even for NASDAQ stocks. But individual trades are very consistent with NASDAQ history and also properly marked with the correct attributes. Their real-time data seems OK though unfortunately they have another bug there - the intermarket sweep order attribute does not get reported for the real-time data, while it does get attached to the corresponding trades when they are later queried as history. I reported this as a bug to them. Then see below w.r.t. feed latency. The quality of their samples and docs is the worst (their COM API is half broken, their C++ API is OK), but having 15 years experience in software development I don't care much about this.

3. IQFeed. I am disappointed. Seriously. IMHO, DTN/IQFeed is not in the business of providing tick data for serious traders. They are in the business of extorting money from the wanna-be traders, and I admit this business is going great for them. Their positive is that they do provide both historical and real-time ticks and quotes. They even have Level II if this is of interest to anybody. Also their sample code and their documentation are most likely the best in class. Their negative is that the timestamp resolution on all their tick data is 1 second. That is milliseconds are not even reported. And the trade attributes are not reported either - neither for the real-time stream nor for the history.. And the way their pricing works is like "this will cost you $xx for the feed, $yy for the setup fee and $n in exchange fees - now, please, enter your cc number. Then on the next page one learns that on top of the $n exchange fee there is also a $4 per exchange "maintenance fee". Really? And then it turns out that access to IQFeed does not come with access to the API for it. The latter is $300 more, non-refundable, per year. Enter your cc number. And then on the next page one learns that on top of those $300 there is $25 for something else. And after finally being approved for dev access, you realize that what you have got is a stream to feed maybe a charting application. Sure, there is a big market for these kinds of things, and they are milking it. But for my needs they are basically a toy. I cancelled my trial, but still paid $325 for access to the API.

4. IB. As most folks are well aware, they provide 1 year of 1 second and up history data (no ticks though) and real-time quotes for a nominal price of $10 / month. The real-time trade ticks now come with a timestamp, the quotes do not. No trade attributes are reported at all. Comparing a recorded sequence of trades against the NASDAQ-on-demand history for the same symbol and day reveals some interesting discrepancies - the total volume for the day matches within like 1%, while individual trades are often missing, while others are reported with a larger trade size and yet some other cannot even be found in the NASDAQ master. While obviously not suitable for any serious trading, this feed cannot be beat for its value for money

Latency: all the threads here with folks complaining about their feed latency - you have checked the stability of your real-time clock, haven't you? I was surprised to find out mine drifts by as much as 300 ms in 15 minutes! I had to configure NTP to sync every 15 minutes - my client did not allow for more frequent syncs, and having a 300 ms drift in between was really bad. My next investment is likely going to be a dedicated time-keeping card. Still, the numbers I have got for the real-time trades (just trades, not quotes) feed:

IB: Min: -220 ms, Max: 2800 ms, Average: 570 ms, Std. Deviation: 308 ms.

AT: Min: -300, Max: 12100 ms (12s), Avg: 268 ms, Std. deviation: 276 ms. (These numbers for AT held until the last 30 seconds of the trading day when a bunch of late reported trades came up and moved the stats to Average of 294 ms and Std deviation of 509 ms.).

IQFeed: Did not try due to lack of millisecond timestamps.

(I know that having the median instead of an average would be much more useful, but average is just so much easier to calculate.)

Being on the West coast (in Seattle) and having a 300 ms clock drift, I think these numbers are not bad at all. AT appears to be better than IB by about300 ms. I am having a hard time explaining an occasional negative number though. Getting quotes from the future would be a real easy way to make money Then as far as I understand it, the difference between 100 ms to 500 ms does not matter much as by the ~100 ms mark all the HFT has already been done and all the vacant positions on the bid and ask have been taken. One needs to trade with this in mind.

I am cancelling Nasdaq-On-Demand and IQFeed. I am keeping Active Tick. We'll see how it goes.

Hopefully this helps.
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seattlealgo - might we speak privately - I have had dev level access to activetick for a number of years

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